Neil Lennon

Do you think that it would be good management to let a physically underdeveloped player, who wasn’t giving his all in training, bully you into picking him to play when he didn’t deserve it? I honestly don’t think that’s something any manager would allow, imagine Pep or something like that’s reaction to that

 

I mean he was 17, of course he is under mdeveloped. Most are at that age.
No evidence to suggest he wasnt giving his all, nor that he was bullying anyone, let alone the manager.

Plenty of other managers and clubs give 17 year olds a fair crack at the first team.

 

You're putting a lot of weight into a scenario we know next to * all about.

 

It’s literally in the same article that everybody’s taking at gospel that we’re talking about. You either believe them or not, not pick and choose.

 

I'd be a lot more willing to give Lennon the benefit of the doubt if he didn't also tell another young player to "* off" after getting injured.

 

Which is awful management that. Doesn’t excuse a young player with a bad attitude, that by all accounts has upped his game and commitment after having a bit of a reality check. Honestly, that’s good management.

Keep saying this, take Lenny out of the equation, if that was Klopp or Pep or Alex Ferguson that had that reaction to a 17 year old ‘superstar’ getting too big for his boots, what would you think of it?

 

Lennon = A painfully uninspired manager with a massively overinflated ego. Despite his lack of managerial talent, he brought some success to the club, albeit with little competition at times. Gave us two decent European group stages including a memorable win vs Barca. But * our most important season in the worst way possible and was too stubborn to resign. Is now managing in Cyprus. The end.

Bored to tears of hearing about him. Move on. Even Rodgers didn't generate this much discussion after he sneaked off.

 

I don't fully disagree, my point being that it doesn't help that Lennon told a young player to * off after getting a serious injury, part of the reason why I can understand people being a bit critical of him.

 

I really don’t think a player with Dembele’s talent and potential asking for a bit more game time is him getting too big for his boots.

 

What evidence is there that he didn't give his all, or that he bullied Lennon?

We all have plenty of evidence and things to go on that show Lennon to be disrespectful to younger players, to picking only his pals at times.

But I've yet to see any evidence of dembele having this proposed bad attitude, that he bullied Lennon, that he downed tools etc.


In fact, we all tend to be in agreement that Ange doesn't suffer fools. We all seem to be under the impression that he won't invest in talent that doesn't want to invest or be at the club. Ala doak not getting a sniff lately (seems to be the general opinion). But Ange has been giving dembele a chance and getting him on the bench.
You'd assume if dembele had this supposed bad attitude that seems to be the myth (with zero evidence of), then Ange wouldn't be bothering with him.


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Wasn't all that long ago that we would be sitting in a pub praising a lad for it.

In fact the phrase "he should be banging down the managers door to get game time" was often used when fans wanted young talent to show some passion to get in the team.


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He didn’t bully Lennon, he got sent to the reserves to earn his place. He attempted to.

And literally the same article that you’ve just read that you’re taking that this happened with Lennon. Like the exact same article.

He knuckled down after towards the end of last season, do you not think letting a young player know they need to work to go along with their talent is a good thing?

 

It is the way it’s described in the article we’re discussing. He wasn’t pulling his weight in training, talent alone is nowhere near enough. It seems that he’s learned that lesson very early in his career, which is a very good thing.

 

So he didn't bully Lennon?

And I'm yet to see evidence of his bad attitude, an attempt to bully, or anything.

I've seen plenty on here claim it, I've seen plenty articles portray that myth. But I've yet to see any actual evidence of it.

If anything, everything taken in to consideration, it would point to Lennon with the bad attitude and dembele just showing passion to want to play.

As we've seen, Lennon has treated plenty of players terribly. Has his cliques.
And since then, we've seen a manager, who is known not to suffer fools or waste time on talent that doesn't want to be at the club, actually give this lad in question every chance he can.



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In the article. That you’re using as evidence for the encounter between him and Lennon. It’s in that article. The exact same one mate.

Tried to, didn’t work.

 

This one?

I'm still waiting on this evidence though.
This isn't evidence, it's an opinion, and at that, a weak one.

If anything though, it shows that dembele chapped on his door, like any young talent would, and that it's Lennon that didn't take kindly to it - ie Lennon was the one to then take the huff about it.

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The original article that spawned the discussion from Kieran Devlin.

https://theathletic.com/3195964/2022/03/25/what-next-for-karamoko-dembele-and-celtic/?source=rss

And that’s not retrospective, here’s reports at the time:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....est-update-on-karamoko-dembele-at-celtic/?amp

Here’s another one alluding to his attitude in training, and refusing what we thought was the best development for him:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/celt...caster-makes-karamoko-dembele-revelation/amp/



2 games into the season, 2 games we won. He marches in and demands a place infront of Elyounoussi or James Forrest. A starting place. While not showing his all in training.

I’m not even sticking up for Lennon here, I’m * delighted that a wee reality check has by all accounts got him to screw the * nut. If he signs a new contract that’s amazing for us.

 

2 men's opinions with no evidence though.

And both of whom, if I'm right, are on acsom?

So the kid chaos the manages door to tell him he reckons he's good enough to start games and also says he doesn't want loaned our to a lower team, because he reckons he's good enough?

That's what we are basing the entire myth that dembele has a bad attitude and doesn't train well?

Sorry, but that's not enough. If anything it sounds more like Lennon leaking his side of things to folk.

Because, again, since Lennon's left the building, the new manager has given the lad more time and attention. A manager we are led to believe and seeing with your own eyes, is someone who doesn't waste time on talent that doesn't want to be here, nor works hard for it.

Everything this season from dembele suggests massively that the issue was not him last year at all.

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Not a myth mate.
Can you show me evidence that his attitude and application at that time is as good as you are claiming?

Everything from this year shows that him getting a reality check, not just from us btw, has caused him to knuckle down and it’ll only be good for his career.

 

There's a reason he's only managed a debt ridden Bolton, Hibs and some pishy Cypriot outfit outwith us..

He isn't a good manager and no one really rates him..