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Muhammad Ali

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  1. celts67

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  2. Richmal

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    I met ali in 1993, shook his hand and got a book signed by him, even in 1993, being in his presence was amazing, he wore a white shirt and his build was amazing, but i felt sorry for him, he wasnt very well and was struggling to cope with everyone,
     
  3. Swervedancer Guest

    Ok right it does sound dodgy but what I want to know is why did he call him an Uncle Tom? Maybe there was a reason behind the rage and not a reason a white person can calibrate.
     
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    The other guy isn't wearing gloves.

    Maybe an exhibition match with a wrestler or something?
     
  6. Raoul Duke

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    That's when he fought Antonio Inoki a japanese wrestler.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO5bJ6J5bIY[/ame]
     
  7. Dáibhí

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    He called him it because he was wanting to sell a fight, and wasn't above being a * to do so. He admitted as much later in his life.
     
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    Ah right, I did think it was strange looking. So the kind of thing Conor McGregor is talking about?

    Daibhi wasn't it because Frazier changed his support staff to all white from all black?
     
  9. Dáibhí

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    No, it's for the reason I said. Ali has admitted it a few times in later years.

    The ironic thing is that Frazier was trained by Eddie Futch and managed by Yank Durham, who were both black.

    Ali was trained by Angelo Dundee, who was white.
     
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    That is so strange there wasn't a reason. Anyway not to dismiss it lightly but I think apart from that Ali was cool in everything he did.
     
  11. CH4 Gold Member Gold Member

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    sad day indeed ,what a hero

    RIP to the greatest :shamrock:
     
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    He would be a light heavyweight today, but incredible speed for a man his size. Power, accuracy, vision, timing. As a fighter he had it all. Only Sugar Ray Leonard came close to his speed and skill, but at a much lighter weight. Floyd Mayweather has the speed and defense and is harder to hit even than Ali was, but again at a much lighter weight and no real punch.

    Four men knocked Ali down, but he was never counted out. Fought Ken Norton for ten rounds with a broken jaw. Incredibly tough human being, the least understood aspect of his game.

    In this day when we become less tolerant to head injury, Mohammad Ali is a kind of poster boy for the cruelty of his sport, a notice that even the greatest combat sport athlete can be felled by brain injury. He was done in by his own massive ego and by the people close to him who did not intervene. He never should have been allowed to fight Larry Holmes. He already had a Parkinson's tremble prior to the fight. All fighters should be reviewed and cleared by an independent neurologist prior to any fight. Had such a rule existed, Ali probably would have had to have retired after the Thrilla in Manilia....and he would have had a much better post boxing life.
     
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    It's such a pity that he continued to fight when he was clearly way past his best, the punches to the head that he could no longer avoid, would prove to be costly and severeley reduced his later quality of life.


    At least his suffering is now over.
     
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    Shame such a great person passing he was one of a kind, i just didnt like the way he treated Frazier after Joe helped him financially when he lost his licence, still lost a great sportsman and political activist today R.I.P
     
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    The biggest star sport has ever seen
     
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    Great shame to see him go gently into that good night, but he didn't half wiggle the branches of life. I was listening to the radio earlier and Ali was talking about his Olympic victory. He beat the Soviets but when he came back he couldn't get a meal in downtown Louisville. In disgust he went to the Ohio River and tossed in his medal, criminal. The Greatest's influence in the Civil Rights Movement is unquantifiable. He was his own man and he let no power tell him otherwise.

    From what I know Frazier properly viscerally hated Ali, completely despised him.
     
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    This is why I like him. But watching this thing about him on BBC 1 right now and this Thrilla in Manila footage is just horrible.

    Boxing seems to have always relied on the most oppressed and deprived groups to fill the ranks of its superstars. From the Irish and Italians in the 19th and early 20th centuries, to Blacks and Latinos of the last 40 odd years. The well to do seem to have always liked watching the less well off punch each other in the face. It was one of the few ways in which white people could hear a black person speak in a Jim Crow country, as he publicised his fights.

    Ali used the sports to influence society and help advance the cause of African-Americans. Even if the vehicle he used was a brutal one.
     
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    I think a lot of sports were like that in his hey day, & still are.

    Sport will always be used as a release by the deprived & opressed
     
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    * the sun ?


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  20. Gyp Rosetti Gold Member

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    Just crass would expect that from those * tbh