Liel Abada

He's got to go sadly. Politically, he can't play here now. The Israelis will never allow it. I don't blame him and I totally get it. He was born there, it's (sort of) his country and we side with a country that Israel deems the enemies. He's a good lad and I wish him all the best and no hard feelings on my part.

 

A LARGE PORTION!!!! FFS a few idiots who couldn't point to Israel on a map, they call themselves "a brigade" yet 50 of the scum ran them ragged at Hampden!!!
They sing about viva le quita brigada, some use the cowards would have been against Franco, they sing "if you know your history" yet they know sweet FA about the history of the middle east. In 1967 the arab nations united and surrounded Israel with the avowed intention of wiping all Israelis of the face of the earth, after 6 days they were defeated and ran away, a bit like the green brigade to be honest.
Rescind their season tickets and get the wee uneducated neds away from our club forever.

 

If you think that, then you honestly don't understand how serious this situation is. Don't worry, though, you will very soon. This is not 2003 when they could rely on the MSM to sanitise what we saw and not show the worst effects (although the rest of the world were watching in horror and disgust) and spin what little they showed. In 2023, there are too many avenues for information to flow and, unless you literally only watch MSM or exist in a weird, centrist bubble online, you are going to see and you are going to be horrified.

If prime Lionel Messi were playing for us and an Israeli citizen, it would make no difference to anyone aware of the situation in Gaza.

 

If you know your history?

Some Isreali perspective.

 

* up ya clown.

 

Some oversimplification is necessary or my analogy will be too clunky and this post too long, but here's my best attempt to explain the basics of what you are missing:

Imagine the US has gone all isolationist and China is the sole superpower and that the China decides that England is going to be a Chinese homeland in Europe because of some ancient book showing that Confucius once took a dump in Oxford or something, they call it Confucia. Violent ethnic cleansing is used to force most of the non-Chinese population to flee, many of their descendants still living in refugee camps in France and Belgium decades later, and massive immigration of Han Chinese is encouraged to lock this in. China uses this country as a tool to destabilise the poltics and economies of other European countries and to provide an extra military presence in the region. After a decade or 2, the other European countries get together and invade Confucia to try to put an end to this; but with Chinese help, Confucia defeats the invasion and ends up occupying Scotland and Wales as well, because, well, the other European countries clearly don't recognise Confucia's right to exist. At the current time (decades later) Wales (Gaza in this analogy) is the world's biggest prison, subject to an economic blockade by Confucia with help from Ireland (Egypt) and also to occasional violent incursions leaving many dead. Terrorist organisations exploit this situation to take over the government of Wales. Meanwhile, in Scotland (the West Bank), the Confucian military never left. The Scots are increasingly isolated into towns separated by walls and Han settlements are springing up everywhere. Even to get to work, most Scots have to pass military checkpoints and are subject to daily humiliations and occasional violence from the occupying army. The SNP government is utterly corrupt and does nothing to protect the Scots and many in Scotland see the Welsh terrorists as heroes. Some terrorists are also active in Scotland, which is used by Confucia to justify its military presense. Recently, the pace of Han settlement has increased and the Scots are more and more marginalised

 

I think your articulate well thought out response, proves my points above!!!!, knuckle dragger would be a compliment to you.

 

This thread fair thins the heard on here eh?

 

"Couldn't point to x country on a map" is not a valid argument. It's a throwaway phrase that in reality means nothing.

 

That's a very inaccurate account of what happened in 1967 if you compare it to what is here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

It really illustrates the tensions and issues with the problems in the Middle East. Basically Israel is a mini USA, militarily strong and extremely aggressive and doesn't give a * how many people die from other countries if it is exposed to any perceived threats.

It goes to war, discards fundamental international conventions and commands war crimes be committed freely from the top of the government and military for actions it freely and frequently enacts on others.

I think you'll find the support for Palestine from Celtic supporters extends considerably beyond the GB.

The fact that there is no differentiation between Palestine and Hamas is really troubling.

 

Thanks for posting that. It's always good to hear both sides.

Unfortunately I only got as far as the bit where he starts to argue that Palestine has never existed until recently.

Then I had to take a dump. Whilst having a dump I remembered Putin saying something similar about Ukraine.

I'll maybe have a try again at a later date.

 

The parallels are amazing TBH. There's what you mentioned, but also other similarities, such as having similar security aims (e.g. strategic depth and key strategic access points). It amazes me how many people in the centre and centre left/right support Ukraine but not Palestine.

To be fair to the Ukranians, it also amazes me how many people on the far-left and the far-right reject Israel's security argument but accept Russia's.

 

There is no political lines anymore. They have been blurred beyond repair. On purpose too.

 

Why is Liel Abada's thread been turned into another Palestine/Israel debate? So many comments not even mentioning the player.

 

No idea how you think you can infer any of that from what I’ve said tbh.

Absolutely stand by it. It’s easy to stand by certain principles (however misguided) in the case of a squad player (eg people saying Abada shouldn’t be playing for us, simply because of his nationality). It’s far more difficult to do so with a legendary, world class player who has the adulation of the support.

Even a cursory knowledge of the club and our fans would support this (*, any group of football fans, not just ours). It’s a game where people will happily cheer for * offenders, violent criminals, just all round scummy people, provided they’re doing the business on the pitch.

 

I completely agree with you and a similar thing is happening with us to a much lesser extent. Back in April the thought of Rodgers being our manager again seemed absurd and many fans didn't want him near the club. Now he's back and we're winning games, things are quiet.

 

It’s not just Celtic fans either - football fans everywhere are incredibly fickle. There will be a few hard-liners on certain issues, but overall they/we are incredibly forgiving if you’re doing the business in the pitch.

This whole situation is incredibly demonstrative of how close the extremes of the left and right political divide truly are on certain issues. The fact that people are saying a young guy shouldn’t be at the club simply because of nationality is genuinely the kind of thing I would’ve expected to hear from fans of the other lot. It’s incredibly depressing, and I’m hopeful (and genuinely believe it won’t be) it’s not demonstrative of the wider support.

 

Of your 134 posts in the last 9+ years this must be up there as one of the worst

 

Aye, I'm sure most people won't have that sort of tunnel vision. What a lot of people seem to be forgetting is that regardless of Abada's views or the situation overall, his homeland is an unstable place. He'll have concerns about the safety of family and friends. There needs to be a bit of empathy for him, even if people are more aligned to the Palestinian cause.