Lennon Out

it´s not about lennon out...

it´s about o´neill back in.

PLEASE, BRING BACK THE GOOD TIMES!!!!

 

voted yes on saturday just after the game, regret it now though. was very angry lol

the result was not lennys fault at all, it was the defence. they just collapsed in the last 20 mins as we went up 2-0. i have a feeling we will win the league this year but the only way its going to happen is if we get 2 new quality centre backs in january and if lennon learns to stop changing the team so much and stop playing samaras KEEP THE FAITH

 

I voted no because i have another proposition for what should happen, cant be assed writing it again but if you look in "the board must act now thread" then you will find my opinion, its not necessarily neil lennon but the useless baggage he carries around with him. You hire quality coaches not pals. Good players - Bad coaches.

 

Well to those that voted NO, please come back in January and let me know then how you feel!

 

I am happy as long as we stay in touch with Rangers. I really want to see what Lenny does with the MF when everyone (Brown, Kayal, Forrest etc) is fit and I would also like to see if we can finally cure the CH nightmare in the window. However, there is no room for error this side of the window now. I have a lot of concerns about our shape too but there is still (just) enough wriggle room for him to turn it around. A lot depends on what happens in the next month. I think though its probably too late for a change of manager to make a big difference. Basically if Rangers win the next OF game and their game in hand its gone.

 

we should start looking at players now and get them signed up. I remember they did it with Boyd from Kilmarnock. Just he couldn't play until January

 

i think we just need a new ch to partner maj.once kayal,forrest and even brown are fit we will be better balanced.

and maybe a new keeper aswel.still don't think forster is commanding enough at corners,free kicks etc

 

We have no margin for error now this side of the January window if we are to catch Rangers and overhaul their lead. It makes life difficult but not impossible, and of course Rangers may feel the heat from their Europa League campaign, which we must capitalize on if we are to pip them.The crucial thing for me is that Lenny MUST start playing with three competent central midfielders with at least two of them DM's. If that means swallowing some humble pie by Lennon and bringing back Juarez into midfield so be it. I would also bring Towell in for his high tempo energy and combativeness. Therefore I would rest Ledley who has been very disappointing for my mind, and play Juarez, Towell and Ki as the three in the middle. If we persist with Ledley and Ki in the face of the mounting evidence against this pairing, then I feel strongly that it will lead to Lennon's demise and our loss of the league.

 

I don't think lennon should go. He has shown that he is willing to try and get better players to the team. He's a part of celtic through and through. It's the players that need to wake up. Every stupid mistake they make is costing us badly.

 

Lennys tactical niavety doesnt seem to be dissapearing as quick as I first thought, but I don't think we should even be thinking of kicking him out yet.

Zonal marking doesn't work. Lennys fault for sticking with it that we're conceding so many goals from set plays?

Possibly, but then again, most goals are from our CBs falling asleep rather than being out of position.

But, Lenny, after Braga, after Utrecht sticks Hooiveld on the right of a back 2 and then Majstorovic in the centre of a back 3. Anyone with a set of eyes in thier heed can see that these are two of the most left sided CBs in football history and everytime either of them is played out of position we're *...Except Lenny.

Then again, Loovens, O'dea and Misun are all more comfortable on the left (and 2 of them are useless and ones been injured), Thompson isn't really up to it and Rogne is injury prone. What was his other options?

In midfield, Ki and Ledley are playing well, I personally think hes playing the right players there, however even then is it maybe worth dropping Ki (who I think has been one of the players of the season so far) and playing Juarez. This would mean he could tell Ledley and Juarez to cover the fullbacks when they push forward. Would anyone want to drop a stand out player for Juarez at the moment?

Should McCourt be on from the start every game? He scores and is one of the most creative players on the park. But hes injury prone, not defensive enough, doenst have any stamina and disappears from games accoring to alot of people. Can we afford to play him instead of Maloney?

Should our captain, a £9 million rated player, whos has been rumour with big teams acorss Europe, has been a favourite of every manger (both for club and country) and a precentage of fans feel is one of our most important players walk straight back into our team even though he cannae play in a 2 man CM?

Regardless of what Lenny does, people will disagree over these point.


Remember, people main reason people are moaning is becasue of our * defence that keeps leaking goals. Yet, we still have the best defensive record in the league.

 

no defo not now he done really well even low we have lost some stupid points

 

Lols at people wanting him out. Is this place full of 5 year olds?

The irony of the OP's username. "TrueTim" Seriously?

Have a bit of "Support" guys. That might be a new word to a lot of people expecting to win every week but we don't have the clout to buy world class players, so get behind the team, do you not think Lennon hurts when we get beat?

Would you guys rather a Trappitoni (sp)? Imo a guy who'll collect his cheque at the end of the week regardless and not lose a nights sleep?

We could have all the money in the world if we wanted. It wouldn't make a difference.

Get behind Lennon and I don't mean to shove him out the door.

 

Lennon needs to realise and realise this quick, we cannot play a game with two wingers playing on the wing. It simply does not work with celtic, mowbray persisted with it last year and although we scored goals we conceded far too many think about the Aberdeen 4-4 game, i mean really score 4 goals and don't win.

Its time to play a diamond formation which utilises the best strength we have in our team. Thats our CM's we have some of the best in the league but they are not being used properly. When available and fit Lennon in my opinion needs to start playing this team :

:Forster:
:Cha: :Mastorovich: :Loovens: :Izaguirre:
:Brown:
:Ledley: :Ki:
:Maloney:
:Hooper:

Dont know if ive done that country thing right, but anyway. Thats what we need a central 3 with brown sitting as a DM, and Ki and ledley in front of him, and depending on form Juarez, Kayal and Crosas can come in for any of them so we have adequate cover when all are fit.
This formation relies on full backs giving width and allows brown to cover for either full back which bombs forward leaving us solid at the back in case of a counter attack. we have the fastest guy in the league at right back, its time we start using his better attacking qualities and lightning pace.

Now i realise this formation does not include forrest, but lennon is going to have to chose between that diamond formation or a 4-3-3 with 3 centre mids across the middle and maloney, hooper and forrest up front. Either one of these is the way to go, we cannot persist in a 4-4-2 with 2 wingers because we will get beat in the middle of the park 3 vs 2.

Hopefully lennon's time in the stands will allow him to see this better and realise that in the spl we cannot be outnumbered in the middle of the park.

 

So you would drop McGinn, Forrest, McCourt and Stokes who have scored over a third of our league goals this season?

You would also play Brown as a defensive midfielder despite his rashness in tackles, amazing ability at getting booked and the fact that his best games hes played in a more attacking role (or out wide right for Scotland)?

I'm assumung that you have accidentley put Leldey & Majstorovic on the right? Majstorovic cannot play on the right of a back 2 and Ledley is also a left sided player.

Doesn't seem to play to our strenghts at all.

 

You actually rate mcginn? if he plays we play to our weakness of being vulnerable defensively, if you actually read my post you would see my second option plays forrest you numpty. McCourt will never start many games for celtic so i have never considered him in my starting 11, Stokes is a bench player in case hooper gets injured in my opinion, stokes cannot play wide of a three and i would not drop hooper for stokes, so yes stokes is on the bench.

You look like you seem to like to criticise rather than to read, stop jumping on how ive put a defender on his wrong side, just in your head switch them around instead of attacking idiotically and frankly a bit pointless.

So 3 of the 4 players you have pointed out i have proven why they don't play and the fourth you just seemed to disregard the second part of my post.

Brown does not play attacking for celtic, for someone that seems to know so much about him for scotland obv does not see him play for celtic on a regular basis, he plays DM for celtic end of, he does not attack or rarely does.

I cannot believe you would play a team that includes mcginn, forrest, mccourt and stokes all in the same 11, that team would get murdered against strong opposition flooding the midfield, there is no tracking back or dig in that team whatsover.

Forster
Cha Loovens Mastorovich Izzy
Brown
Ki Ledley
Maloney
Hooper

Or
Forster
Cha Loovens Maj Izzy
Ki Brown Ledley
Forrest Hooper Maloney

those are the teams id play first starting 11, bringing on the likes of McCourt, stokes, kayal, murphy etc.. if players are injured or need to be subbed.

Think better before you post a ridiculous attack on mere small mistakes like ledley plays on the left ohh my * its going to ruin the side ah m g. Honestly grow up.

 

I never wanted him and his lack of experience is starting to shine through with uninspired showing after uninspired showing. The Hearts game is what done it for me, changing a team that had won 9-0. As usual, people mistake passion for someone being a good manager

 

Well considering you've just done the exaclt same thing you've criticised me of doing I think its you've gone a little O.T.T.

Where did I say I would play Stokes, Forrest, McGinn & McCourt in the same team? I was simply stating that those 4 players have scored over a 3rd of our league goals this season. And none of them (except Forrest in one possible team, which I'll get to later) were getting a game in your first team.

My point of critising the way you had Ledley and Majstorovic on the wrong side was completley valid. Playing Ledley on the right would weaken the team, especially in the formation you were suggesting, becasue as much as Ledley isn't great at LB he would provide cover when Izzy moves forward, which is needed in a diamond formation. As for Maj, when we have played him on the right we have been terrible, and as as Loovens has always played better (if thats the right word for Loovens performances at all) on the left in my opinion, I thought you were meaning to switch them...but then again I'm the "numpty" becasue you put the players in the wrong position.

Stokes is not a bench player. He has scored 8 goals so far this season and was the league second highest goal scorer last season. He is a proven goal scorer who has built a great partnership with Hooper already. I do agree that he hasn't been good enough out wide right for us, but saying he cannot play wide right shows your ignorance. Hibs manged to bang in over 50 goals in 09-10 with (Stokes/Nish/Riordan) when he was out wide right plenty of the time.


"Brown does not play attacking for celtic, for someone that seems to know so much about him for scotland obv does not see him play for celtic on a regular basis, he plays DM for celtic end of, he does not attack or rarely does."

Aye, and most people don't think hes anywhere near as effective for Celtic as he was at Hibs or when he plays for Scotland. He is a box to box midfielder and, regardless of where Strachan/Mowbray played him, is better pushing forward than defending. His tackling ability isn't great and he doesnt have the vision to make the cutting pass forward that you need from someone occupying that position.

As for Forrest, hes a great player and would do well up front in a 3, or on the wing in a midfield and while I agree that hes better than McGinn they are both quite similar players, although McGinn has defensive experience which means I would play him ahead of Forrest in a top 3. The fact that you write McGinn off in your first sentence yey have Forrest as a starter seems pretty unfair, especially considering that McGinn has scored 3 in 6 compared to Forrests 2 in 6 this season


As for growing up. Think we just need to look at your last paragraph to see who needs to grow up mate...



...well that and the fact you'd play Loovens.

 

Don't know what you mean or i see totally other players:
Dan is purely right footed i think (that is why i am wondering he is playing at the lieft side of CB
Jos is purely left footed and playing at the left side mostly
Glenn is purely right footed and is playing there
Thomas is purely right footed and is playing there.
Most of them are playing at their good side. Only Dan is playing on the wrong side. Think that is his own wish... though you often can see he is not left footed and is bringing himselve in problems with that......

 

* *. This has happened with every manager since I joined this forum. One bad game or a few losses and everybody wants him sacked (These are normally the same poepl who would have been praising the manager a few weeks earilier). Give it a rest. No piont sacking him now. May aswell wait untill the end of the season.

 

Regardless of what is thier favourite foot some players are stronger on one side than the other if you know what I mean. Maybe they are just use to playing on the side of thier weaker foot.

Dan is right footed but is more confortable on the left, and I don't think he has even looked comfortable playing anywhere else. Utrecht, Hearts and Inverness being the examples that jump to mind

I also think that Loovens has always played better on the left as well. When he was next to Caldwell for example he looked decent, but since then (when hes been played on the right) he been terrible.

Jos is the also stronger in his left sided, but unlike the other 2 is actually left footed. I'm trying to remember what game he played on the Right of the CB but he was terrible, similarly he isnt quick enough to play in a back 3 or at leftback.

Rogne is right footed and plays on the right.

I would like to see Rogne--Hooiveld at CB as they are the two players who look the most confortable.

Probably the most natural selection but the one that Lennon has never tried.