Lennon Calls For An End To Offensive Chanting

You make a fair point which I happen to disagree with. I firmly believe our support of revolutionaries around the world and our political awareness is a good thing, not a bad one.

I understand that these songs may cause offence to people however this in itself should stimulate debate between the different cultures. this is obviously very idealistic and it may be unrealistic at this moment in time however we can only live in peace with each other and learn to tolerate each other if we understand each other. Sectarianism can be wiped out if we learned more about the different cultures.

I respect the right of Orangemen to walk down any road in which is non-contencious or with the consent of the residents of the area. I respect the songs they sing which are non-sectarian ( which are very few). I am not as easily offended. Irish Republicans have much to be offended throughout these islands yet they have taken the lead in trying to resolve the conflict.

Our clubs culture and traditions which include supporting the IRA should not be seen as aggressive and certainly should not offend people. Anyone learning about the IRA campaigns and how they were a formidable enemy to the British Army, and about the tremendous fortitude of the Irish Republican movement cannot fail to empathise with their position. It is the ignorance which fosters the hatred.

 

The majority of our songs are about the Old IRA and The Volunteers who fought for their freedom. These groups weren't terrorists. therefore singing about these groups isn't glorification of terrorists.

 

You keep using the 'majority' argument, which is a *-poor one.

Like I have repeatedly said, the blanket term IRA can mean all sorts of different things and it isn't enough to simply state what it means to you.

Why not go and make up a song that explicitly outlines which versions of the IRA it is you idolise. That way, everyone knows where they stand. You can sing about your non-terrorist heroes and I'll sing about my club

 

Your Club are traditional supporters of the Irish Republican Army......why can't you accept that?

 

Don't be daft mate. Anyone who knows what they are talking about. Knows which IRA we are singing about.

Are you suggesting that IRA singers don't sing songs about Celtic?

 

The only constant amongst our support should be a mutual love of the club, not shared ideals about republicanism and how it should be pursued.

My opinion.

 

we should make up some new songs, about Celtic

i have to say i do like some of the rebel songs, but if their gonna offend people and get us into trouble, whether its justified or not, then its probably not worth it, Celtic, is more important than a few songs.

 

i actually agree with this, its celtic we support mutually, not political or religious beliefs

 

I couldn't care less whether IRA singers sing about our club or not.

 

People who get offended by these songs are idiots that don't know what the songs are about. We shouldn't bow to ignorance.

 

Nor is it acceptable to bow to those who would have their political views represent those of an entire club and it's fan base.

 

I couldn't care less about whether you sing about Irish freedom fighters or not.

 

These songs are part of this great club and its fan base deal with it.

 

The Club ( supporters ) have a history supporting Irish Republicanism however of course it is not a prerequisite of supporting Celtic. Those who sing about the IRA should be allowed to do so without hinderance.

 

i get what your saying, but whether its their idiots or not, if it gets us into trouble, then its not worth it, if it wont get us into trouble then i couldnt care less, if some are sung

 

Got to head off now folks, but the debate will continue later!

Cheers bhoys

 

Spot on

 

We won't get into trouble for singing them. I fail to see how anyone can ban these IRA songs. They aren't racist, they aren't sectarian and they only offend people who don't know what they are talking about.

 

if there was nothing wrong whatsoever, then lenny wouldnt have publicly asked us to stop and didnt lawwell ask us to stop using IRA in our songs?

 

* me, I tried to read through this thread, but I was getting so frustrated with everyone being so childish. Come on guys, we are supporters of Celtic football Club. It's sad times when fellow supporters throw insults at one another. Some people need to give their heed a shake.

But back on topic. My opinion, is that although there may not be anything wrong with the songs, if they're going to cause trouble for Celtic, then it's not worth singing them. Supporters shouldn't be so stubborn to sing such songs that will result in Celtic getting punished, regardless of its history and if its acceptable or unacceptable.

Just my two cents, people will disagree, I'm sure.