legia kicked out/Celtic re-instated *official*

We would be raging would we? Well I never, who'd have thought that! I suspect our rage would be largely inwards and not looking for spurious reasons to blame Legia. Of course we would question the UEFA rules but it would be our own board and Lawwell who would get the brunt of the anger and rightly so.

We weren't screwed over at all.

Your last part is laughable.

 

Torq, if you and your fans read the Celtic back in CL thread, you will see a large amount of our fans were very sympathetic of Legia position and their fans.
Most people realise that Legia played well and deserved to go thru, Celtic played poorly, (I do believe there are reasons for this).
To come on a Celtic board and start this kind of inflammatory thread, does not benefit you, your club or the fans who are quite rightly majorly disappointed.
Perhaps what you wrote or how it was read has been lost in translation.
Football is a game of many disappointments and occasional successes. Unfortunately your club fielded a suspended player, uefa had to act to preserve their rules. At this time of financial doping in the game, (see EPL clubs) and the CL being blatantly structured to the disadvantage of clubs like Celtic and Legia, it is imperative to believe that the rules are set fairly and followed, otherwise clubs like the dead rangers would be allowed to complete in competitions when actually trading insolvent and having un paid taxes.
Hopefully FFP, we start to ensure that clubs are run properly and spend what is earned and not propped up by ludicrous tv revenues or oligarchs or sheiks with oil wealth.
I hope Legia fans will be able to quickly put their disappointment to one side and have a successful season that leads to a successful CL campaign next season. All the best.


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This highlights the problem. It's not the champions league, when the champions of most of the European leagues are having to qualify when the big four national leagues have an automatic by into the groups.


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I can understand fans feeling a bit sympathetic towards Legia Warsaw for what has happened, that's natural - but actually going out your way to wish and they do well both in this season and the CL next season, really? A group of fans who attacked Celtic fans in Warsaw, would have instigated battles all over on Wednesday if they were allowed to and we know all about their presence of racism/fascism over the years. That's going a bit too far is it not?!

 

I can agree that in a world where money isnt the most improtant in CHAMPIONS League only champions should play, not clubs like Arsenal or Liverpool. In that kind of world Celtic and Legia should meet at least in group stage. We won the league twice in a row, you three times.

 

Can't wait to do the huddle in the champions league!!!

 

Best chance of getting through would be Benfica, Basel and Anderlecht.

 

my opinion: Celtic were lucky, lets face it. 1 - 6 in aggregate and just due to Legia's mistake still in the Champions League qualification. that's a bit flattering. <?xml:namespace prefix = "o" ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
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Where have I argued based on time on the pitch or the game not being in the balance? A suspended player isn't allowed on the subs bench anyway someone said (think it was Vert).

My argument is much simpler, you're smart so I strongly suspect you don't want to see it:

The guy sat out the 3 games. In a common sense world he would be deemed to have served his suspension. All that happened is that Legia forgot to include his name on a bit of paperwork. They did not replace him with anyone else in their squad for St Pats, were unaware that he still counted as suspended and sent him on in good faith.

People need to stop comparing this with hypothetical examples that all involve cheating.
Of course paperwork is necessary in the modern game; but the punishment for not filling in paperwork properly should not involve forfeiting the match.

This is just one of the problems with inflexible rules. I trust people far more than rules when it comes to complex judgement calls. The way to stop UEFA favouring big teams is not inflexible rules; it's to make it a much more open, transparent organisation. That will solve the corruption problem too.

 

ofcourse we were * lucky

 

Having said that, there is no evidence we were even given the opportunity to step aside for Legia. Why should we step aside for Maribor?

 

Football is all about paperwork though.

UEFA are essentially a company who Celtic compete for and are paid to, when UEFA allow us to play for their company, we need to give them details of our companies employees so that they can then regulate it.

Legia never and made a * of it. End of story.

It's no guys playing football on the street.

 

I know. It was just the enormously unfair UEFA decision as well as the rumour that Celtic made the complaint and insisted on Legia being disqualified that caused so much negative emotions on Legia side, and I suppose your forum served as a vent for those emotions (and for this I am sorry). I believe that today the emotions cooled down enough for everyone to see clearly that there's no point blaming Celtic fans on their forum for anything that happened.

As for the meritum of the case, Gargamel is quite right--there was no cheating by Legia, and UEFA's decision was enormously disproportionate.

The decision is final and we have to live with it. The only consolation that I find in it, is that the team who benefitted is Celtic, the one team that probably has more supporters in Poland than half of Ekstraklasa.

 

The rumours are absolute pish.

How would Celtic know he was suspended?

UEFA keep records of all players and after the match when they went to update details, the guy doing the game would have spotted that X-player whatever his name was, was supposed to be serving a ban. He'd have reported it, UEFA would have looked and seen that it was a rule-break and thats that, the rule book is there which says playing a suspended player is a 3-0 loss.

Why do you think they had the hearing before the draw at such short notice? it was because it was a clear cut rule break and they could.

 

Of course they should be punished for not filling in paperwork properly; but do you honestly, truly believe that punishment should involve forfeiting the game? As with any other system, punishment should not be disproportionate and fit the offence.

 

Not anymore! :smiley-laughing002:

Probably even Boruc hates us now.

Good post BTW. Very well summed up.

 

who did legia get in the europa league????

 

It isnt disproportionate though. They broke the rules in the match and lost the match for it, the rules are there in black and white to what rule breaks lead to. It's not like this is the first time it's ever happened, it's probably happened hundreds of times across the world. It's happened quite a few times in the Scottish Cups in recent years too.