Lawwell 400k bonus .

Best players sold, fail to strengthen and therefore get put out CL by Maribor, crowds down 15k or so over the last 4 years. Successful management team resign. Investment in the team now amounts to loan players. Aye well done Pedro you deserve that 400k. Brass * neck

 

Spot on.

 

Pl is not to blame for where celtic are just now...and to claim that its his fault makes you blind.

 

sickning

 

Did you miss the debacle with the GB?

The only reason section 111 is back open is because there was a lot of anger being vented at Lawwell after Maribor. Had we went through that night, the GB still wouldn't be back at Parkhead. The man has been found out lying on more than one occasion as well to the fans. The sooner he is gone, the better in my opinion.

How many GB were arrested for the incident at Fir Park? They were used as a scapegoat that night, and Lawwell was looking for any excuse.

 

The point is in footy the more you spend the less you rely on luck. If we showed a hint of ambition we would see Nakamura's, Ledley's, Hooper's more often. Ledley infact for one would still be here if Lawwell hadn't shat himself at 25-30k a week - which is far less than we've wasted on punts like Balde, Fridj, Pukki and Bangura.

There is a middle ground between our * bargain-basement dealings and the top of the line multimillion pounds deals and Lawwell seems to want to believe, and tell us fans, that there is no such thing - it's one extreme or the other.

It's not all down to luck, Pete has it in his control to enable players like Agathe, Lustig and Wanyama to sign for us. He has clearly in the last couple years gone on a super stingy run instead of trying to improve the squad or keep those quality players.

 

Agree fully with that

 

jeezee o vastly over payed.

 

Hard to understand what warrants an £800,000 pay rise in ten years?

However there is no doubt the club is in strong financial position during a time of horrendous austerity..

And Lawell must take credit for that..

The vulgarity of the wages paid in football are obvious but that's just the way it is..and a Chief Exec is more important than any player..

 

Good points made, but I think big Hesselink was better than Hooper and probably Hartson as well.

 

So over the last ten years everything has downsized except for Lawell's money which has gone up £800k. Can't believe people are actually defending this. He does a good job with the finances but whilst his wages are going up and up the team on the pitch is getting worse and worse and ticket prices on a game by game basis continue to rise. All this bollocks in the past about not spending money because we have to cover our costs and ticket prices having to cover our costs, yet Lawell is taking that much money out of us. Absolute joke. I've totally fallen out of love with football.

 

The same * who came out with a statement that politics wasn't welcome at Celtic Park and that the majority of the Celtic support agreed with him (* majority ). I'll never forget that.

 

Doubt it, if he leaves and some nugget replaces him things could rapidly decline in a short space of time.

Celtic currently punch well above our weight, coming from Scotland we should be getting the * taken out of us from all angles as everyone knows we are struggle for money.

A new CEO if he's not up to the job, he's atleast almost certainly be far worse at the job than Lawwell would end up getting hit by massive reductions when trying to renew contracts, like the likes of Nike going "eh we think we've been over paying, we're currently giving you £6million a year and allowing you 100% the profits on sales of Nike gear from Celtic stores, how about we give you £4million and take 50% of Nike products sold by Celtic" then what would he do? Lawwell almost certainly wouldnt be messed about and if he was he would use his power and influence in the game and reputation among other clubs to go to Adidas or whoever and get close to the same. A new guy with no connections etc is dodgy as * and could end up with us losing £millions.

That could happen with everything and probably would as Lawwell leaving, companies will know was his choice, which to them could signal that things are declining at Celtic and he's no longer willing to remain then they'll all come circling wanting to renegotiate lesser contracts knowing we are in a poor position.

One of the biggest worries as a Celtic fan for me is what would happen if Lawwell left as we'd struggle to cope even if our base income went down by £3million a year which could happen very easily and then we'd have to reduce the wage-bill and everything would just decline making things a lot tougher than they are the now to remain stable.

A lot of fans think we should be better than we are, when in reality we should be worse than we are.

 

What if we get a CEO in and he can do just as good a job as Lawwell, and doesn't treat certain sections of our support as a play toy so to speak? All your post there is made up of ifs and buts.

What is your view on the way he handled the GB issue? That was originally what you questioned me on. Why I thought he treats fans with contempt, and you ignored the point I made regarding why.

 

Worse than what we are? That just simply isn't the case. It would be a valid point to make if we were regularly getting to the last 16 of the CL, but we aren't. Instead, we regularly struggle against teams in the qualifiers, teams which most of, if not all, will have nowhere near the resources we do.

Downsizing is one argument, but more focus should be given on the money we do spend - and the millons upon millions that has been squandered over recent seasons due to a lack of coherent football strategy.

 

That's my main worry. Pete explicitly said he brought in Ronny as he wanted more focus on youth development - i'm totally fine with that. I would be happy for the club to spend zero pounds on transfer for the next 5 years and use purely academy players. However this summer we sold our 2 best young strikers for * all, wasted money on older foreign players who don't want to be here, have given no new youngsters a chance except McGregor, who most us already knew about, and the only kids we've signed are those of another club - so we're being a nice wee feeder club for Man City and developing their prospects for them, whilst letting ours like Henderson rot.

We pussyfoot around in the middle of 2 conflicting ideologies - buying young players for cheap in the hope of selling them for a profit (a short term, fraught and ultimately unsustainable policy) and yet also talking about how we want to use the academy and rear homegrown players like Barca or Ajax (a long term policy requiring much patience and more time than financial investment).

It's one or the other Pete. I'm not fooled.

 

It's a tricky situation as they've brought UEFA fines to the Club albeit ones we dont really care about but the Club also need to be seen to be doing something. Also before that they ignored warnings about lateral movement for years until they were first banned.

I dont think they should have been banned the 2nd time but nothing you can do really.

I mean worse off the park(which probably would make it more difficult on the park but on the park relies heavily on luck in the transfer market so you culd never tell we could have budgets of £10million less but better players on the park you never know).

Celtic shouldnt be as rich and financially secure as we are.

On the park we could be better or worse, it's all gambling. I agree though there are different strategies we could pursue like having only 14-16 first team players on higher wages and using youth as back-up, than having a first team squad of 25 on lesser wages. Like we could have a 3/4 EPL class players on £40/50k a week than having 15 back-up players on £10k a week but that could create problems if younger players or new signings develop into key players then want £40k a week as well which is probably why we don't do that any more, makes you think that could be why like Liam Miller left as back then we had all our best players on £25/30/40k a week and then he probably though he was going to be first choice and could have wanted £30k a week which we wouldnt have wanted to pay to a young player.

 

All I can say is you must be very easily pleased !!

 

I´d change "charitable roots" to "justice" but otherwise feel the same.