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Large Hadron Collider ENDS THE WORLD...Not quite

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  1. Ryan47

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    they must have saw this thread and changed their minds.
     
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    Large Hadron Collider - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If anyone is interested in the science. Actually we prolly have till October when they plan to actually start smashing particles.

    Goods news is the energys will be way way to low to create any of the really nasty stuff (magnetic monopoles, vacuum bubbles, strangelets).

    Based on current trends we will have the necessary particle accelerators by 2150:celt_2:

    Bad news is 1/1,000,000 scientists think there is a 1/1,000,000 chance a micro black hole will be created. According to current calculations these would decay quickly and be harmless.

    There is a similar debate every time a new particle accelerator is unveiled.

    Hopefully we can finally find out what 90% of the mass of the universe (dark matter) is which you are prolly sitting in right now.
     
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    So are we all dead yet or what then?:rolleyes:
     
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    Haha, I skimmed the article about it in the Daily Ranger today...
     
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    I watched a horizon documentary called end days which was about possible holocaust scenarios. the turning on of the hadron collidider was one of the five scenarios. it was a decent documentary.
    EDIT:Ill say it one more time for luck. SCENARIOS
     
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    The black hole would suck in the earth from the center outwards, so we would have 4 years to live. Happy Days 4 years :rolleyes:
     
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    whatever if thats true why start the * up?
    who gies they * the right to decide the fate of the planet anyway.
     
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    certain scientists are on massive ego trips and think they know it all about the universe etc when infact they don't really know *, richard dawkins being a prime example. the ego will be the downfall of humanity.
     
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    Richard Dawkins truly is a mug.
     
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  13. MickBhoy1888 Guest

    Why the world WON'T end on September 10

    Found this very interesting :celt_2:

    Enjoy the read and give your opinions and theroys about this big bang machine.

    Hurray for the European Court of Human Rights. It has rejected an emergency injunction to block the Large Hadron Collider from turning on on 10 September. It's the latest legal case brought against the LHC by scientists who fear that the world's largest particle accelerator will produce fearsome entities that could destroy the Earth.

    I'm thrilled that the ECHR has understood the science and has given the LHC the green light. Because let's get something straight: the world is not going to end on 10 September.

    Here's why. Next week physicists will attempt to send a beam of protons all the way round the LHC's 27-kilometre ring for the very first time. What they won't do is accelerate the beam to its design energy of 7 teraelectronvolts (TeV). And unless the tests are very, very successful, they won't be smashing protons head on either.

    Instead, a lone beam of protons will make its way round with just 450 gigelectronvolts of energy. The only collisions that could happen is if the beam smashes into one of the very few air molecules that haven't been sucked out of the ring, which has a vacuum 10 times better than on the moon.

    Supposing this does happen, the collision energy will be a paltry 30 gigaelectronvolts (30 GeV). That's a far cry from the 14 TeV collision energy that the LHC will produce when it is running at full speed. You simply can't make much in the way of heavy, exotic particles with just 30 GeV of energy. No top quarks, no W or Z particles, no Higgs bosons. And that's just the regular stuff: there certainly is not enough energy to make mini black holes, strangelets, magnetic monopoles or anything else exotic that critics purport could destroy the Earth.

    OK, so we have a reprieve of a few months until physicists finish their tests and start creating collisions with 14 TeV of energy. What will happen then? This is uncharted territory for particle accelerators. And the trouble with venturing into the unknown is that you don’t know what will be there. This is what excites physicists and, perhaps understandably, is grist for the mill for doom-mongers.

    Theorists have speculated about all manner of things popping into existence, including the infamous mini black holes. Critics claim that these will grow uncontrollably as they suck in matter, eventually gobbling everything in their path. One such opponent is Otto Rössler, a theoretical chemist at the University of Tübingen in Germany, and one of the plaintiffs in the ECHR case. He claims that in the worst case, the Earth could be eaten by a mini black hole in 50 months.

    Really, I don't think so. I admit I have a hard time believing theorists' usual line that Stephen Hawking will save us. Hawking's most famous research shows that black holes - the giant ones we see in space - slowly evaporate due to a process called Hawking radiation. Being much smaller, mini black holes should evaporate within microseconds. Trouble is, no one has seen Hawking radiation. So why should I put humanity's hopes in a theoretical physicist?

    No, for me, there is a much more compelling argument why the LHC won't destroy the world. And it doesn't rely on theoretical flights of fancy. Whatever the LHC churns up out of all the collision energy, we've been there before. Cosmic rays from outer space are raining down on us all the time and they can reach truly staggering energies. You can get the same collision energy as the LHC from a 108-GeV cosmic ray slamming into the atmosphere. And there are plenty of cosmic rays with such energies.

    Cosmic ray experiments all over the world - experiments that have nothing to do with the CERN laboratory where the LHC is based - have found that about 10-14 rays with energy greater than the LHC strike each square centimetre of Earth every second. That might not sound like much. But over the Earth’s 4.5 billion year lifetime, that makes 1022 collisions or 100,000 times more than the LHC will ever produce. Obviously, in that time no mini black holes, vacuum bubbles, killer strangelets or any other weird effects have eaten the planet.

    Not convinced? Scale the cosmic ray sums up to cover the 100 billion stars in the Milky Way and the 100 billion galaxies in the visible universe and you find that nature has already made the equivalent of 1031 LHCs. Or if you like, 10 trillion LHCs are running every second. And we're still here.

     
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    I would love to agree with all that but i dont really have that much of an idea with the numbers being quoted. Nice read all the same.
     
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    Read it all because these things are usually interested. But I have never thought this will be the end of the world, If it was then right now millions of people would be charging at the folk doing it. Still nice to be reassured.
     
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    Thanks for postin that Mickey. Good read.
     
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    Well my thought on it before were if they were smart enough to make a machine to these testing, HOPEFULLY they're smart enough to know the risk involved and wouldn't go through with it if it was to end the world.
     
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    I laughed at first cause i thought it was hardon lol :52::97:
     
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    And i Like that word 'Doooom Mongers'.
     
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    Haha it really is a beautiful word