Kris Commons

That first question a serious one? Just about every game he plays. In his earlier days he done it more, but he goes either side these days and he's effective at it.

I think Commons would score more but I think Forrest would creat more from that position. I think overall Forrests pace and directness, along with his intelligence, would be better for the team as a whole on that flank. Not that Commons isn't an intelligent player, I'm just saying Forrest is. I think he gives us a new dimension.

The last part...You did compare them, not directly as players, but what you were saying basically that Muller isn't direct for Germany, so it's okay that Commons isn't for us and you'd like to see Commons in that kind of Muller role. What I'm saying is it's something realistic to us, Muller does that so well because he's possibly one of the most intelligent footballers on the planet. One more thing...Germany ARE a direct team. They more often than not go for the throat.

Anyway, Overall, I just think Forrest is our best option on the right hand side. If Commons gets played there then I wish him the best, I like him as a player

He goes inside more...Yeah, but it makes him unpredictable. He goes both ways now, he never used to when he was younger. He was always looking to go on the outside. His passing is more intelligent too. He's eveloped as a player. Absolutely no doubt about that. I dunno how people can't see that he's much more rounded thank he used to be.

 

Spot on with forrest ..

He woulda murdered them tonight with the space on that right hand side, particularly second half..

 

Spot on with forrest ..

He woulda murdered them tonight with the space on that right hand side, particularly second half..

 

I honestly can't remember the last time he succesfully beat a man and went to the touchline, he's a cut in and a one two sort of player even when he does take men on. I think Forrest would be good there, I just don't think that he's earned a place in the team ahead of Commons. Forrest has also never created more goals than Commons in a season so I can't see why you would think he is more creative.

And I was comparing formations and why it isn't neccessary to just have lace, I far prefer clever players finding that bit of space to fire the ball home. Something Commons has been an absolute master at.

 

Because I'd like to see how good he really is. It's hard to properly judge a player until they've had a run in the team in their proper position.

Not in the Europa League or in the cups, but in the league.

Like I said, I think Tonev has looked better the last couple of games. I wouldn't like to send him back and then see him play well for Villa next season, as then I would feel like we have missed a potential opportunity.

Barring the obviously complete * ones, all players should be given a run in the team before we've got rid imo.

 

Am I reading it right that Commons is being compared to Forrest and Tonev?

Or that they would play better in his position?

Sorry if I've completely misread this, with them being different types of players and in different positions and all. Can't be correct?

 

Commons has created more from a central position, He's found these pockets of space in a central position...Why are you trying to fit Commons on the right and not in the centre? He'd probably get more goals/assists per game than Johansen.

It's probably because right now, Johansen has been doing a better job for the team and the team are doing better as a unit. I think the TEAM would benefit more with Forrest on the right, Because he adds something that Guidetti, Stokes and Johansen don't have, he has pace and directness and it can shift us up a gear at times. Commons qualities are more suited to a central position. As I said I like Commons, but until Johansens form drops in that central position, his place is on the bench.

Wouldn't surprise me to see him in some sort of rotation though. Which I'd be fine with. Anyway, we aren't going to agree on this.

 

I think i jumped in too soon, i thought zander was talking about the right side..

Forrest is and should only be a winger, he's perfect for it out there..

Commons was most disappointing on the ball tonight, the amount of times he received the ball when they'd broke with 3 quarters of a team in the center circle and wasted it by.not spotting the killer pass or playing it, rather holding on to it and turning a few times and playing it back was frightening and killed any quick counter that was on..
Time and time again that happened..

 

I was :smiley-laughing002:

Dev was suggesting playing Commons on the right instead of Forrest. I argued against it.

Also, I agree with your last point, that annoyed me tonight.

 

Sorry mate:smiley-laughing002: i'm fighting sleep here, thought so

Was that daft Roy butting in the:bbpd:

 

Johansen suits the role better by a mile, sorry Kris don't want you to go but he really peaked last season and still has lots to offer but with the way Ronny wants the team to play he needs pace and energy. Two attributes that Commons has never been blessed with unfortunately.

 

Oh and what summed up his play was tonight in the first half when we were breaking away in a counter attack with at least 4 in front of him Commons eventually passed back to Ambrose

 

This.

It wasn't the only time either.

 

That infuriated me no end. We literally had 4 players breaking ahead of him, and were looking to counter as they were short at the back. I couldn't believe when he turned backwards.

 

If Lennon was still here then Commons would probably still be our most influential player. He doesn't really fit in Ronny's system though so as good a player as he's been for the club I think it's best for both parties if he moves on.
The last month or so I'd argue Johansen has been our best player, last night he was dropped deeper to accommodate Commons and had his worst game in a while.

 

Kris commons deserves to play before stokes on the left. He won both freekicks that we scored from and scored one of the goals. We don't accommodate commons!! he can play anywhere up top. We accommodate johansen who can only play in one position

 

Pretty sure Bitton won the first freekick?

We don't accommodate Johansen, that suggests we're squeezing him into the team just cause. He's there because he deserves to be.

 

Players who are worth 30 goals a season and half that in assists are more important to our club than our manager. Sad but true.

 

He is a liability in deep lying position so therefore we have to accommodate that and can't play commons. What I'm saying is play commons somewhere else as he can play different positions

 

I can't see Commons doing the runs that Stokes and Forrest do under Deila's system.