Kieran Tierney

Bernabeis already * off Rodgers by sleeping in for a meeting

 

If another week or two passes by without any news of a move for Tierney I think it's a stick on he'll end up here. Let's be honest, he'd be an absolutely unreal signing, exactly the kind of LB we need, even if we don't play him every game.

 

I agree with this. I wish they did see LB as a priority position but I get the feeling they've decided they'll push the boat out if KT is available but otherwise are happy with who we've got.

 

I might be in the minority but I'm not overly keen on him, especially if it's a loan.

Would rather we scouted someone like AJ.

 

I’m kind of in the same boat tbh, sick of loans and knowing our luck he’ll probably end up injured for months

 

Loans got us CCV and Jota. Those are definitely worth doing. Tierney on loan I just don't see why we would do that ahead of scouting an actual LB we might have for more than a season.

 

Don’t think it’d be so much * off angry wise than laying down the rules and discipline and he can follow that or not. Upto him, but I think Rodgers thinks he can make something of him.

I don’t but we’ve seen more of his ‘defensive’ work. He has genuinely zero defensive brain, he’s not a winger, he’s LWB that would beed a DM looking after him at most.

Shame that he has some * good attributes but I genuinely have never seen somebody who has less defensive attributes that him, Johnny Hayes had more and he was an average winger.

 

But what prevents us from already negotiating with Arsenal right now? We give them the £25M back and sort out details with Kieran. If there's any thought of us going for him, there shouldn't be delays. If there isn't, then we better see either: a) a rumor from TheRepublican mentioning a new LB, b) an occasional switch to 3-5-2 making Bernabei useful or c) start Scales in a few games at LB to see how he does. Last option is the least preferable, but even that is better than Bernabei as a LB in a 4-man back line.

 

You are * mental if you think we’d pay £25m for a player

 

Aye but those where loan to buys where are totally different from just loaning a player that we could never afford

 

I don't think its ever been on the cards and think its time people let it go.

 

I'm actually in the same boat.

We need a PERMANENT solution to LB ie. Someone who's going to be here and playing for 2/ 3 years

A loan for KT is merely kicking the can down the street.
Add on that the reality that BR doesn't really do rotation, and ran Tierney into the * ground in his last spell, it could end up being financially redundant to move for him.

As you say, get the * scouts on it, get someone in who fits the transfer model and who isn't going to break the bank, or break down twice a season.

It's a * pisstake that we're still crying out for this position to be strengthened.

 

Can't you see a world in which it would be a permanent solution, though?

Like, I know the injuries are a major concern, of course but we do know exactly what we are getting from the player. There's no risk involved. You're getting one of the best left backs in the world, when free of injuries and on form, on a deal because he's potentially going to be out for 70% of the games. Do you buy him and try and manage him far better than we did before? It's a risk but it's not like we don't have the money to take that risk.

Depends on the price Arsenal would want obviously but that price tag of £50m dropped to £30m, seen something the other day it was down to £20m. He's been completely frozen out, he does have injury problems... there is no chance someone is taking that risk at that sort of price. Especially teams fighting for their lives down south who need their big players to be available all the time.

If we could somehow get a loan this window with a significant loan fee, say £3m(think we paid that for Musonda for 6 months), with an option to buy for £10m, would we be crazy too not go for it? Given we know how good he is? It's a big risk in terms of injuries but we spunked £7m on Julien and got one decent season out of him. You'd be getting a far better standard of player, in a problem position for a wee bit more.

Arsenal can play hard ball with teams all they want, or attempt to. If it's true he's homesick, he's no jumping on a * plane to Sociedad for a year. Absolutely no chance. Sociedad aren't going to pay £20m for him either, given the issues we have already discussed. He holds all the power here, especially if it's a loan.

I agree though, the only reason I would want him here is if it's a loan to buy, where we have that option of making it a permanent solution. I'd struggle to buy into a one year loan deal, only.

 

Give them their £25m back? You off your head? I'd love Celtic to try and make this work. However, the club has to find a solution to make this risky transfer(his injury history) viable.

Absolutely no one is giving Arsenal £25m this summer now. Not when every * can see that they're playing right footed centre backs/right backs in his position ahead of him when he's fully fit.

They'll be lucky to get £15m for him at this rate and that's where I think we could make it work. Is the risk worth the reward. For £10m-£15m? I believe it would be.

 

I'd play more to get Tierney in earlier.

 

I think that would be silly. Why would you do that? Granted, we need a left back in but Tierney needs to play his part here. We tell him we want him to come, he needs to sit tight. If he truly wants to come home, we play the long game to get the deal that both Celtic and Tierney want.

Arsenal won't be bullied right now, especially with 2 weeks of the window left. However, when they're staring the end of the transfer window in the face, with a day to go and a player earning £110k a week is telling them he's going nowhere but Celtic, Arsenal will negotiate. Celtic can leave their deal on the table and tell them they can pick up the phone, accept, negotiate or reject but it's there for them.

We essentially done that with CCV. We wanted him, he wanted us. He didn't want to go back down to the championship so we left our deal on the table. Anyone who thinks that deal was done in the final hour of the window, is kidding themselves on. The deal and structure of the deal was in place from weeks before. We just left our offer on the table until Spurs literally had no choice and they couldn't convince him to go elsewhere.

 

One problem with this idea is that if we wait until the last day of the window, and we don't get the big name, who can we get? Better go out early with the strongest bid/personal terms we can sustain for a marquee signing. If they won't say yes within a reasonable time frame, we move on because we have the time to snap up our option B or C. Also, it would make us look more "serious" as a club, IMO. Better have a clear plan to follow than hope late, desperate moves work out.

 

You could say that about any club on planet earth. Deadline day isn't just a thing for fans to enjoy. It's about teams putting the final pieces of their puzzle together, which then starts off a chain reaction of teams further down the financial list when players know where they stand at their current club.

Say we do have a genuine interest in Tommy Doyle for example. That all probably starts from someone like Chelsea, who need to agree a deal with Brighton for Caicedo and probably need to get rid of someone like Conor Gallagher. Gallagher will be well aware of what Chelsea are trying to do so his agent will start touting him about to clubs. Brighton then want to purchase Hatate as a replacement for Caicedo, so that we can then go and get Doyle. It's not as simple as some people make out.

We don't hear 1% of the conversations that take place between clubs. What's probably sorted is verbal contracts between the players/agents and clubs. Caicedo has personal terms agreed with Chelsea already, for example. We are waiting to see where that "chain reaction" as it were goes to.

Obviously, it's not quite like that with KT, he's not wanted by Arsenal and probably has been speaking to a lot of clubs behind the scenes and I would guarantee we are one of them. For all we know, the deal with Celtic is done between club, player and the agents. It's about sorting the issues out between the clubs. These are businesses though. If Arsenal can get £3m upfront, plus save half of KT's £5.3m a year wages with a loan to us, knowing he's barely going to play, they'll agree to the deal because it makes financial sense.

 

I think arsenal aren't daft, and know exactly how much he's worth.
They've spent a fair chunk this window, and will definitely looking to recoup on Tierney.
They know he's a world class full back, they just simply don't have a use for him in artetas system.

The fact that 2 weeks ago Arteta was saying he was in his plans, only to be left out of the squad entirely, says to me that KT has told them play me or let me go.

Given his love for the club it's not madness to suggest he wants to come home, force a loan with a hefty fee like you say, and perhaps Arsenal might let him go next year on the cheap, but at this moment in time I'd say they want to sell him, and for at least what they paid for him.

 

I personally don't care about deadline day. It's never really brought me wild joy.

But the examples you game are truly a puzzle/jigsaw. What if one of the pieces doesn't fall into place? On deadline day, there's no more time. Depending on this event to happen and cause another event that would enable us to move in for a player is not a sound policy.

Regarding Doyle specifically, I think our interest in him has died down with Turnbull's uptick in form and the change of formation back to something allowing for a "static no. 10". David is a home-grown player as well.
An article in Croatian media talked about Liverpool's move for Caicedo falling through because he had given his word to Chelsea. The problem? Brighton had given a deadline to Chelsea by which they would receive bids. That deadline seems to have passed some time ago. Brighton may also prefer to not disrupt their team by losing so many important players. The same should apply to us regarding Hatate.

If we have agreed terms with Kieran, then there's nothing stopping us from helping Arsenal offload a player from their books that is considered deadwood. We're loaded, but in need of a left back who can start CL games. The issue isn't paying £25m- it's only asking Arsenal to allow Kieran do a detailed medical first. If his injuries have healed well, and he's declared as capable of playing 3 games in a row safely, then we should just avoid any deadline day risks and get him now.