Ki Sung-Yueng

If ki left to be replaced by bannan I think the team would be weaker.

Don't see how bannan would be any improvement.

 

I feel that ki seems to the current whipping bhoy every team has 1 no matter how well they are playing and with the usual suspects ie sammy and foster playing some of the best football since being at the club someone else has to take the slack
Ki is a terrific player and ok his defensive play isn't to the same level as our other midfielders but they can't pick a pass like him or deliver the same quality set-piece but in formations there is partnerships all over the pitch and who plays beside him should complement each other so playing along with wanyama one side and brown the other the midfield would function well as they will do more donkey work allowing ki to be creative. Everyone has there own opinion of every player but he is still young and will get better, hopefully here for years to come and will become the mainstay of the midfield although I do agree some games quality needs replaced by hard working players that will close down and work opponents

 

South Korea are the third best team in Asia after Australia and Japan, no one knows how they would do against Ireland or Wales but I personally think they would lose. They played an understrength Poland team in Korea this year and drew 2-2. Poland aren't a great team to begin with and were missing quite a few starters.

 

he's much slower than Bannan, Bannan is a quick player whereas Ki is one of the slowest in scotland. He is also a very weak player who gets pushed off the ball very easily and falls down at the slightest contest.

 

Friendlies aren't exactly anything to go by unless you support Scotland, South Korea made it to the last 16 in the last world cup, did Japan achieve this or Australia? No therefore South Korea have the better pedigree in international football.

 

thank * mate thought i was the only person that saw this. big sammy got stick for going in like a big woman but ki is worse in my opinion

 

what does height have to do with anything, Brown is 5ft9 and he is much stronger than Ki. Not that I'm comparing brown to Bannan just showing that height doesn't matter.

 

they had the easiest group in the tournament though, they beat up on Greece and Nigeria who were both on terrible form and then they got shown up by Argentina. In the AFC this year they got third place behind Australia and Japan therefore I would say they are the third best side in Asia.

 

People saying Bannan is a better player are Regi Blinkered plain and simple.

Ki has been at WC's and Asian Cups playing as one of the first choice midfielders. Bannan is a Villa sub at best and not particularly trusted.

Away from Bannan, Ki has scored the most goals from the centre of midfield for us (in midfield in general, POTY front-runner James Forrest has a single goal ahead of him) so for once in our pitiful past 4 campaigns we have a player who can score and create from the centre. And this isa guy whose preferred position is just ahead of the defence.

It's at least once a game that he comes out with a long miss-a-man-type pass where you initially think * is he playing at, only to realise a short second later that he's just played a stunning through-pass that nobody else would even consider. Best passer in the team bar none.

I would also laugh off suggestions that he's slow - I've seen him skin a few players this year, in fact Lennon's even used him as the furthest left midfield numerous times now. I'd also say he's our best right-footed set-piece taker (behind only Mulgrew really altogether).

In our bad patch this year Lennon singled only him, Forrest and Ledley as guys who could hold their head up high with regards to performance.


But I'm not a total Ki nut. I appreciate that in the past 5 games or so there's no point dropping Kayal (now injured) or Wanyama who have been superb. I also rate Joe Ledley highly too.

Like a lot have said in the Kayal thread, the sole solace we can take from his injury is that we have quality guys like Ki who can come in and stake a claim.

 

I absolutely can't stand when he does it, I remember when he first got here he went down as if he got shot when a hibs player touched him in the 90th minute and lost the ball, then hibs broke and scored to level the game. you would think that incident would be enough to teach him that he's got to toughen up but it hasn't.

 

I do not believe you have seen the players your talking about. Ki is a fairly fast player not winger like but for us hes faster than Kayal, Ledley and Wanyama for example.

And Bannan is a quick player? Glenn Loovens would out pace Bannan, he has absolutley no pace at all!

Ki isn't very weak either, hes not a strong player but not weak. Cant see where people are coming from.

 

Before kayal was injured I'd have sold him but we need all our CM's now imo...

 

I would say bannan is faster than, he has the ability to play in wide positions like he did for scotlands under 21's while ki is almost incapable of beating a man with the dribble because of his lack of pace.

Also many people on here are vastly overrating the ability of the South Korean national team. They are a decent side and nothing more they have handful of decent players much like scotland and after that they really struggle for quality depth. The reason they have the ability to qualify for the world cup consistently is because of the fact that they are from the asian confederation. Ffs even New zealand qualified from asia. They did get to the last 16 of the last world cup but they did so by beating a poor greece side in a dire game which i fell asleep watching and by drawing a nigeria team that played so poorly at the world cup that they were banned from international football by their own government.

 

Ki is third in our team in goals scored, assists and in chances created, he is our third best player for all of those categories, he is also probably the best passer of the ball in the team, if he was scottish or Irish or if he got stuck into players he would never get this kind of criticism, but because he is a talented player who is still devloping he will get loads of crap from our fans, despite the fact that the vast majority of his performances this year have been great. It really says something about us as a fanbase that for all the complaining we do about the board not signing talented players when we actually do get those players and start to develope them we only * and complain even more because they arent world class already when we buy them

 

Im puzzled at what im reading here by our own fans.

Ki is slow with no pace and weak and Barrry Bannan is better than him and Scotland are better than South Korea

Do I need my eyes tested

 

I have to say mate, your spot on.

South Korea ARE the best team in Asia, they regularly * all over Japan and Australia. They have also beat teams like Ghana, Serbia & Honduras whom I rate higher than Scotland if your going to bang on about friendlies.

Their players are often far more physical than the japanese but have the similar skill levels making them the best all around team on the continent.

Ki's seasononal stats prove his ability, considering he has missed a large amount of games too proves his ability.

If he was Scottish or * forbid Irish he would be the prodigal son.

 

Ki fast, come on man he's probably our slowest midfielder and to suggest he is faster than any of those you mentioned is ridiculous.

Bannan can play as a winger, he doesn't have elite pace but he is far faster than Ki.

And yes Ki is a very weak player, you wouldn't think it from looking at him but he goes down if the winds a bit to strong and * out of tackles left and right.

 

Thats really no reason to criticize him in the context of this debate because ki is also a sub for us.

 

South Korea are not the best team in Asia, no they do not regularly * all over Australia and Japan. they drew both Australia and Japan in the AFC and they got destroyed by Japan in August.

 

Ki is slower than kayal and ledley for sure. Infact ledley could be one of the fastest players in our team, he cant run fast with the ball but he is absolutely rapid without it. Wanyama and ki might look around the same pace due to Wanyama's languid running style but wanyama is also faster than ki.