Ki Sung-Yueng

Yes i do, and its certainly not at left mid, left wing back, and left auxiliary striker, where he played against udinese.

He is a Deep lying playmaker. He sits in front of the back four and starts our attacks, providing the long range passes, or through balls.

 

Brilliant work rate tonight. Was very happy with his performance considering it isn't his usual type of game.

 

don't think he played well tonight, was a total passenger. I thought Kayal was good I don't understand why he was hooked instead of Ki or brown, once he came off they started to cut through us like a knife through butter and could have had several goals.

 

agree with you mike. i thought ki shouldve been subbed for stokes

 

i thought ki was good tonight, he was tidy and worked his socks off

 

No one in our team can keep possession and spray passes like he does, hence Lenny is asking him to be less aggressive and keep his head while the two fighters (kayal, brown) get stuck in. This is an assumption of course but i think its very harsh to label his effort and work rate as "done nothing".

 

Players like Ki aren't appreciated in our country. One of Scotlands biggest footballin failings that, we could never, ever produce a Player like him because of it.

 

Worked his socks off but he didn't really have much freedom to create, played a role that limits his ability to create chances but done well enough. Agree with the above post as well.

 

If you see past posts, you would see that i completely agree with you. We as a fan appreciate getting stuck in and smashing players but we cannot appreciate technical competence and composure.

I've made countless comparisons such as this but ill make it again, United fans can appreciate and love both David Beckham and PJS at the same time while we praise ledley and bash Ki. Unbelievable in my opinion.

To be fair some criticism on Ki is very much just and fair especially those well-thought out and constructive ones but when people say "he does nothing" it does my * in.

Ki will never get stuck in or produce a "player horrifying tackle" but Kayal will never be productive in terms of scoring goals or setting them up. Its like comparing a forward and a defender (to an extent mind you). Ki is DIFFERENT from some people's favorite players and players who suit Scotland's appetite, GET OVER IT!! p.s. to all those who think Ki is not worth a dine, there is a reason why he is linked to a 8.5 million pound move.

 

Ki had a good game he is putting a real shift in these days which is good to see

 

that comparison isn't valid to our situation. Ki is a luxury player, he will not work hard for the team and will not fly into tackles, you admit this. Normally luxury players are played in wide areas like Becham or Naka, it is very rare that you see one played in a central midfield role and when you do he is usually accompanied by two ball winning midfielders. It isn't possible for us to play a three man midfield in the league because we have to win every game and therefore need two strikers. ki is simply a luxury we can't afford, if he were sold we could bring in another striker and a centerhalf and only lose a benchwarmer in the process. He clearly has talent but because of the league we play in I doubt he will show it here.

 

If you thought kayal was good then you were watching a different game, kayal was poor, he looked disinterested at times and was lax in possession. He was hooked because he was poor, i don't think he was the poorest, brown blatantly was the worst player on the pitch.

I think lennys subs could have been better, personally would have brought on kelvin wilson for brown, push kelvin to cb, bring wanyama into centre midfield giving us kayal, wanyama and ki at centre mids. I would have then brought stokes on for either sammy/forrest and gone 2 up front in a 4-3-1-2 formation.

 

Kayal worked hard for the team and broke up play all night, when he went off the game changed and we were on the back foot, if it had been Ki removed I honestly think not much would have changed because he didn't do much the whole night.

 

Ki was tracking the left side for the entire game, playing 3 different positions at the same time mate.

Kayal did not work hard, first half he was decent and in the second half he was invisible, he was posted awol, along with his pal broony. The improvement or change needed to give us some impetus was bringing wanyama into centre mid so we could push out a bit. Second half we were camped in our own half most of the time because brown and kayal weren't doing their job harassing the centre mids on the halfway line.

 

I guess you have your opinion and I have mine, i thought Kayal was good, and broke up play well. I thought Ki went missing and didn't contribute much.

 

Don't really think Kayal did much. I guess it was down to referee being strict from very start when Hooper (I think) got yellow card, so he probably didn't want to risk much. Overall not a very good game for him.




On Ki - we had few periods in the game where our midfield dominated and Ki did contribute to that, however in periods where Udinese controlled the midfield they did it much, much better. Brown and Kayal were poor, Ki wasn't much better until maybe last 10 minutes.

Decision to put him on the left mid was a poor one, especially when we had Samaras and Forrest on wings, Ki would've been good between them, right behind Hooper.

 

Good post mate, spot on. To be fair he has been a bit hot and cold this season but played well last night.

 

Van der vaart, modric and Ozil are all "luxury" players whom we can't "afford" to play if we could acquire any of them according to your explanation.

Simply put, there is going to be games where 2 ball winning midfielders are going to be effective but there will also be a time when a creative midfielder can mix in and be effective. Hence Ki has the most assists and 3rd most goals this season so far.

The point im trying to make is that different "types" of players are more appreciated then some other "types" of players, i think its quite clear that this is true.

 

No matter how good a player you are, you have to earn the right to play. Ki lets himself down on that front. No-one is saying he isnt a very good player, but his application isnt enough at times. He does disappear in games. Players like Kayal and Wanyama are essential to a successful side. And a little unfair to pass them off as not having any ability. Kayal and Ledley have scored goals and set them up and Wanyama has versatility.

Ki is coming up to an important spell in his career here. Ledley, Commons and Izzaguire coming back to the squad will increase competition for places (which is good), therefore Ki will need to up his overall game. If he cant do that then he is going to struggle. We keep hearing about his potential but he has only done it in bursts. We need it constantly.

I dont know about selling him but he will only have another season after this and will end up walking for free if we arent careful.