Ki Sung-Yueng

How Forrest would get on in South Korea is totally irrelevant. I dont think you should be bringing these players into your argument in support of Ki.

Ki is a very talented player and his problem is that because our defence is suspect people are expecting him to cover for them. The biggest problem is our system sometimes does not afford us the use of Ki's talents.

 

If you actually read the thread, i did not bring them into the debate. I don't need to support my beliefs.

People don't rate him, then in my opinion they have no right to demand 15 million for him,

 

Surely the perfect time to criticise a player is after a terrible performance, just as the perfect time to praise a player is after a good performance. It's not fickle. Just because you criticise a player doesnt mean you don't support him or rate him. A big reason for the criticism Ki gets is because anyone can see he's one of our most talented players but he can often play in a way that just doesn't benefit the team. Holding onto the ball for far too long and getting bullied away from home, for example. Recently his form has been abysmal.

 

Ki should be played as an attacking midfielder in a role simaler to gerrard, lennon needs to stop forcing players to totally adapt to his formations and systems and start taking into account where they naturally fit into. Wanyama has a defensive mid with kayal and ki in front of him would be great and let ki stay forward more often where he is great.

 

Absolutely disagree. While I don't mind Ki in an attacking midfield role, I don't think it's his best position.

He's best very slightly ahead of the back four - constant out-ball for the team, starting moves and directing the play. Pirlo fashion (before any nuts jump on that, that's not suggesting he's any better or worse than Pirlo)

 

I dont know if you were on the forum last year when forrest wasnt playing well after his injury. Every game he played their would be a new thread questioning why he started or calling him the next mark burchill. The fact is that forrest has been our best player this year but if he stops playing well we will certainly see those threads returning. Thats just the nature of internet forums. Also while both players are very young forrest is 2 and a half years younger so .you can sort of understand why people expect more of ki. Although you do make a good point about the cultural difference etc.

 

No problem

You were comparing players sold in different decades which to me is
not a true reflection.

 

if we wer offered 8m id take the money and run tbh, doesnt do enough in games for me, doesnt possess the skill to be the creative force in midfield and doest have the presence or dig to be the enforcer, yea he can pick a pass but id have kayal, wanyama, ledley all in cm before him, the money would go well towards the target man or cb were crying out for

 

Ki isn't naturally an attacking player, the Koreans on here have said he is better when he sits back and plays from there.

 

KI should be doing more.like sammy he defo has it in his locker.i would say that KI ball control and passing ability are the best in the league.

 

He doesn't have the pace to be one, he canny run

 

You're right, the best position for him is a seat on the bench.

He might be a talented player and all that jazz but we play much better as a team without him in the starting 11. That's as clear as day in my eyes.

 

Really poor on Wednesday night, hope he improves for tomorrow.

 

he's ok but for the money i think we coulda deffo got someone a bit better

 

Kayal didn't get slated to the extent Ki does after letting in a goal on wednesday. Ki's missed pen against dunfermline was given more criticism than Kayals mistake against Athletico, one didnt cost us the game and one did. Cannot have one standard for one player and another standard for a player you don't like, reeks of bias.

 

Not with his potential.

 

First of all, slating a player for misssing a penalty is, in itself, quite ludicrous. It can happen to anyone. Kayal fully deserves criticism for ducking, it was an error on his part. The fact of the matter is Kayal has been putting in some consistently excellent performances recently so naturally people want to shield him from too much criticism for one honest mistake. Ki, on the other hand, has been poor recently, so naturally there is a stronger reaction to his mistakes when they happen. Bias is unfortunately inevitable as a football fan. You're watching players regularly and forming an opinion of their ability. Everything they do serves to colour your perception of them. You'll have some players you like and others you don't. You're always going to be more critical of the players you don't rate. Take Loovens for example. When he was going through his really bad patch and making * up after * up, he was rightly shreaded for his level of performance. Charlie Mulgrew has a shocker away to Motherwell and we lose the game but the criticism is relatively mild by comparison - of course it's going to be that way.

 

yeh i do agree, the only thing that gets on my * is that i admit i will be bias when it comes to Ki at times because he is one of my favorite players, but other posters won't admit they don't like Ki when its blatantly obvious that they do.

 

Good post.

Reading this forum is quite interesting. There is obvious fans of Kayal and co who are quick to jump on Ki and slate him whilst endorsing their favourite players. This is of course excluding the constructive criticism of Ki from less biased users.

One argument i would like to argue against is "he goes missing in the big games,". I reject this notion, Ki has performed well in the big games often enough for example, hun game last year when we were down to ten men, the cup final, and the first game versus madrid. Defense is not one of his great virtues and he does struggle to make a good impact when the team is under massive pressure, hence players like Kayal shine in those games. And vice versa Kayal is hardly prominent in our attacking moves.

Now, is my argument which ive been trying to voive for a while now. Ki is so very unique and different in comparison to any other players in our team. People's "taste" and preference towards the "getting stuck in" and "hardwork" type of players has resulted in Ki being viewed as "*" and "should be booted". Yet there is only little or more correctly, less frequent praise of his technical ability and composure on the ball, (also conveniently forgetting his 5 goals and assists so far this season).

People voicing their opinions is very much fine but when it comes down to this, where Ki has a decent game on Wednesday but is still branded *. We as a football fan perhaps has to take a step back and clarify whether our tainted views are affecting our views on a particular player/s and there performences. I think this is very much the case with Ki and some others.

Food for thought maybe.

 

I am a bit confused by this part of your post.

What do you mean about Tainted views ?