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Ki is a Liability

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by doctor venglos, Feb 27, 2011.

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  1. NickP1888

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    Ki is a good footballer.

    However, he has some bad things about his play which get exploited.

    1. He is not a good tackler, and the scottish game is a physical one.
    2. He dilly-dallies on the ball and looses it all the time due to this.
    3. On bad pitches he cannot play to his strengths (passing) and today tried to be annoynmus.
    4. Hes a lazy bhoy! Doesnt like the running

    Basically Ledley that can't tackle or run!
     
  2. MartinR

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    Brown on the right for me kayal in the middle with ledley and commons on left. Ki for me is some one who comes in as back up
     
  3. format

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    That'd be a mistake, IMO. Brown plays much better in his current 'wide midfielder' role than he does in CM. Having 2 out and out wingers with our attacking fullbacks is dangerous too.

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    Just one example...
     
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    Arguably our best player before he went away to the Asian Cup. Anybody who paid close attention to how Ki was playing before he went to the Asian Cup or watched him playing for South Korea, will know that he's a quality player with massive potential.

    He's a play-maker who has clearly been working on the defensive side to his game but I still think he's better beside a ball-winner who will concentrate mainly on defence. That way, he's allowed more freedom to create opportunities. He's the best passer of the ball in the squad and has shown his exceptional vision and intelligence to create some fantastic opportunities for us.

    The pitch wasn't suited to Ki's style of play today, the best play-makers in the world would have struggled on that surface. The partnership of Ki and Ledley doesn't work either, as none of them are very combative. However, Ki doesn't need me to make excuses for him because he's going to become a great player and people desperate for a scape-goat today are going to look stupid when he does.
     
  5. Mr. Slippyfist

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    +1:50:
     
  6. combene

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    to be fair, ki is a football player and what was required to win on that pitch toady wasn't football. ki didn't decide not to play the ball through the air and keep it on the floor. ki didn't sub on sammy too late to have an impact. ki didn't allow the cheatin * to kick the * out of us all day with no repercussions. ki didn't * the bed in defence causing the first goal. ki didn't call a penalty for what was a clear dive. but those who know * all about football are quick to overlook this and blame their pet scapegoat. when ki plays a blinder on weds., they'll be back under their rocks, nowhere to be found
     
  7. Murph-E

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    Great post, combene :50:
     
  8. format

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    Point 1 - True, to a degree. His tackling has improved under Lennon though and I think it can improve even more.

    On point 2 - his ball retention is actually excellent. It's true that he can be caught out now and then but very rarely will his passes go astray - the reason he 'dallies' on the ball is because, like any good footballer, he doesn't want to just blast the ball up the pitch to no one in particular.

    Point 3 - I agree. I would play him mostly at home ( on our lush pitch) until he can adapt.

    On point 4 - that's simply not true. Check out his stats. I think for many games for South Korea he covered more ground than any other player.
     
  9. Zander Gold Member Gold Member

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    what?

    of course you are, silly comment, am i not allowed to disagree with an opinion, just like your doing with mines?, of course i am

    and ki the worst? did you watch scott brown today?

    and he was easily the best before he left, how can you not see that?

    mcginn/forrest were average, ledley was invisable and paddy was hot and cold, bad memory
     
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    wait, he only plays well on grass? he's pish, we should sell him :rolleyes:
     
  11. archie67

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    OK, Ki or KAYAL ?

    It's a no brainer.......
     
  12. SuperNick

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    why ask that? what will that prove. I don't understand why you ask that

    1)Kayal
    2) Ki
    3) Ledley

    in order of my preference
     
  13. Zander Gold Member Gold Member

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    ledley csnt really tackle tbh, and cant pass aswell as ki, so not true at all imo
     
  14. Mr. Slippyfist

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    Get a * grip Combene and stop getting personal.

    Where has ANYONE said anything about it being Ki's fault we lost the match? Nowhere so where the * has the "scapegoat" idea came from?

    Is the OP not entitled to express his opinion on a player he dislikes? Of course he is, so why the attacks and blatant trolling?

    And, the thread is not about the other players...it's about Ki.
     
  15. Zander Gold Member Gold Member

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    kayal individually, but it shouldnt be compared, it should be Kayal/Brown comparison, and a Ki/Ledley comparison

    Kayl and Ki should be allowed to play together, that is a partnership with heaps of potential
     
  16. 10/4 Kemosabe Gold Member

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    I argued against Ki before Kayal in the side over the last week or two and a lot of fans on here felt Ki was the better player. Well, he was found out today. Great player and passer of the ball, no doubt. Bu Kayal is a big player for us. He hunts, tackles and cajoles the rest of the midfield.

    Ki still doesnt have a fully rounded game yet and needs to work on his other aspects.

    Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard.

    Thats what happened today.

    We just need to move on from it. A week is a long time in football, and we havent gone from a good team to a bad one in 7 days.
     
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    yeah it's partnerships that need to be looked at kayal+ki would be a winner imo
     
  18. Mr. Slippyfist

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    Yes I did see Scott Brown's performance today...PISH, However MY OPINION is that Ki was one of the worst performers and worse than Brown.

    No, I do not agree that he was the best performer before he left, you do so your opinion...I dont share it.

    Paddy made more difference to the team and to games when he was blowing hot than Ki IMO,.
     
  19. Mr. Slippyfist

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    Lennon obviously doesn't rate that partnership...so I trust the wee man.
     
  20. combene

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    nah, to be fair ledley is much better in the tackle than ki but it's horses for courses. ki gives you quite a bit of creativity against certain opponents on certain conditions and ledley provides much needed stability and composure against other opponents. kayal is just a * destroyer plain and simple so no need comparin him to anybody. point being, we need all of them and they all have their place. singling one player out or another for a game like today is like blaming the sun for causing winter. sometimes everything is out of your control and there's nothing you can do about it. just deal with it and move on. it'll happen to the huns too. i'd rather make mistakes and learn now rather than late april. keep the faith