[No Link] Jelle Vossen

Close this thread, hes not ours!!

 

12 goals for a striker isn't good enough. He just seems like a guy whose went right downhill in the last couple of seasons, from promising to Burnley.

 

You are right, 12 goals isn't good enough. Ciftci only got 2 more than that in a poorer league last season however.

 

hooper. sheffield utd.

i know hes not gone there (yet), but hes a good example of a player who we know to be of high quality but who hasnt hit previous heights in recent seasons and looks to be in free fall career-wise.

seems a bit unfair to judge vossen so harshly

 

He got 16 all in last season. The season before he got 17 while Vossen got 12.

I think that's all right for United and the type of striker he is at 21/22, it's pretty decent. As an experienced striker at 24/25, 12 and 9 isn't anywhere near good enough.

 

I know exactly how Hooper plays and he had an exceptional record with us. He was also the top scorer at Norwich his first season there, even if you would have expected him to get more.

People just seem to be talking up Vossen and downtalking Ciftci because he was available. I've not seen enough of Vossen to judge but I think there must be a reason we weren't in for him.

 

Are you counting friendlies? That's a few different pages I've checked, and it says he got 14 in all competitions. He scored less than one in two. Not great, let's be honest. Not as if Utd were a bottom half of the table team either. They actually scored the second highest number of goals in the league last year after us.

 

Not to fussed we didn't get him, though not blown away by Ciftci either probably would prefer Ciftci from what I've seen of them both.

Why's this thread still open?

 

if they both have a bad record as some are saying, why is vossen the better option ?

 

Sorry mate, just double checked. 14 it was.

It's not the greatest but still think with the way he plays he suits our system down to a T, so I'm quite happy for us to work on his goalscoring. Think he would have got a lot more than that if we never bought GMS and Armstrong as well tbh.

I'm just wondering what Vossen has over him so much to make Ciftci underwhelming. It's the name that keeps getting brought up.

 

It's not like they didn't score goals though mate, they got 58 league goals last year, only bettered by ourselves, so they were obviously creating a lot of chances.

To be honest, I wasn't all that fussed about Vossen either. I'm underwhelmed by the potential of signing Cifcti, but I'm basing that on him alone.

 

A lot of people seem to be going on Vossen's previous European record, but as Ciftci has never played there it is a bit of unfair to judge him against that.

Ciftci is a bit underwhelming but he's a good player and can link up play well which is what Ronny wants. He knows what he's getting with Ciftci and obviously likes what he see's.

 

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exactly my point what are we comparing on

 

im not even talking about ciftci.

all im saying is it just seems a bit unfair to judge vossen so harshly because of the last 2 seasons when hooper who we know to be good has had a similar experience in the last 2 seasons

vossens record for genk before the last 2 seasons was excellent (particularly in europe), just like hoopers record before the last 2 seasons was excellent with us.

2 lacklustre seasons doesnt mean hooper is a bad player, so why should 2 lacklustre seasons make vossen a bad player?

 

I think Ciftci was a massive part of them being able to score those goals though. He was a big part of that creativity, that's why I want him here.

I can understand just thinking ack guy from Dundee Utd and being underwhelmed by it, I've just seen Vossen being brought up a lot in relation to it. I can't see why though, 4 years ago aye, but not just now.

 

I'm not saying it makes him a bad player. I'm asking why he's such a good player in peoples opinions, I've never saw him play, so I can't say why he would be a big loss to us and how he would suit our play.

I know exactly what Hooper brings and I know what he brings at Celtic, so two completely different situations to me. I know all about one player and not the other.

 

Sorry man I get you now and I don't understand how one betters the other in things that can be directly compared, like league form and goals, which are obviously very similar.

Ciftci has a good few years on Vossen too.

 

Vossens goals dried up whilst still playing for Genk though, Hoopers never did for us.

I don't see the big fuss in Vossen now tbh.

I used to always sign Vossen and Guidetti as my front 2 in FM a few years ago. It so nearly came true.

 

some of your comments read as quite disparaging of him.

because you know all about hooper, i just would have thought that based on this you would know that you cant always judge a player based on the figures in front of you and that maybe the the same courtesy could be applied to a player who youve admitted you haven even seen, thats all.

 

I'm not judging him on those figures, I'm asking on why people would have him so far ahead of Ciftci and why people are using Vossen to be underwhelmed about the Ciftci transfer.

I'm asking what he has about his game that fits into our side better than the qualities that Ciftci brings?

There's no doubt that Vossen looks like a player going downhill just now, at least on paper, so I'm asking why he's viewed as the much better option.

I don't judge other players on my knowledge of Gary Hooper. Not all players are in the same situations, I don't think there's much of a parallel there.