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James Forrest

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Drakhan, Jul 25, 2015.

Discuss James Forrest in the Celtic Chat area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. Liam Scales

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    Like I said, I think he was good in Europe and as gash as everycunt else domestically. It's not a ringing endorsement.

    Don't disagree in the slightest.

    Because that was the original suggestion, one of the better players this season.
     
  2. Dáibhí

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    Who do we have at the moment that has shown themselves to be much better than him in his position?

    He's been poor of late, but a lot of the current side have been poor lately under Deila's strict system, haven't they?
     
  3. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    Tierney, Bitton, Rogic, Brown, Griffiths, I'd even put McGregor ahead of him in terms of form this season.

    It just seems like some folk are putting forward a case for his wee handful of good games, instead of looking at his overall contribution.

    His poor games by far outweigh his good games.
     
  4. Damnati

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    No wingers there though.
     
  5. Dáibhí

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    And wingers are, by design, usually patchy when it comes to form.

    I'll be interested to see how he does under another manager, if & when Deila eventually moves on.
     
  6. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    Jesus, it's a bit desperate now if we're trying to rate his performances only against players in his position :56:

    If Craig Gordon has a few shockers, can we only rate him against Bailly?

    I've named half a team there that have been better than him, so that hardly makes him one of our better players.
     
  7. Liam Scales

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    I think every single one of those players have been inconsistent outside of Griffiths.

    I don't think you can really make a strong argument for any of them.

    Best is maybe the wrong description, * been as bad as everybody else.
     
  8. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    Do you think they have been better than Forrest though?

    If so, then it hardly makes Forrest one of our better players. That's the point I'm trying to make.
     
  9. Dáibhí

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    If we're being fair though, he does play in a specialised position really, doesn't he? I mean, he's hardly going to be given a role in centre midfield, is he?

    He's a winger, and as such we should be asking those who want rid of him if we have another player of his type to replace him?

    I don't think we do, and we've seen enough from him to know that he's a capable young lad.

    He's just suffering (like the rest of the team are) under the current system. If we appoint a new manager and he still isn't doing the business, then fair enough, there's a conversation to be had, but when he's on his game he's a player well worth having, so I'd be reluctant to do away with him so quickly.
     
  10. Markybhoy

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    Forrest has been poor this season but so have all our attacking players with the exception of Leigh Griffiths. Rogic has shown little spurts and so has Kris Commons but I think it would be stretching the truth to say even those two have had good seasons.

    So while I certainly wouldn't class James Forrest as one of our better players, I also would say he's made a similar contribution to quite a few of our other attacking players. Which probably explains why we've been so crap to watch this season.
     
  11. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    No he's really not. He's suffering because of his attitude and poor form.
     
  12. Dáibhí

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    His attitude? Has there been anything said that would suggest his attitude is bad? What are we talking here? Stokes-level bad?
     
  13. Zander Gold Member Gold Member

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    I disagree with Rogic and Commons actually, I think when they've played, they've both shown to be very effective. Rogic with 7 goals and 5 assists in 28 games, Commons with 9 goals and 12 assists in just 26 games. Rogic has been inconsistent, but I think he's without doubt had a good season.
     
  14. Liam Scales

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    Commons has only had an inconsistent season because he's been injured a lot of it, otherwise, when he's actually played, he's been the same as always.
     
  15. Zander Gold Member Gold Member

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    Aye, I mean he's had some * performances, but he's always been like that, he's always played the odd stinker. His goals and assists are still pretty good :50:
     
  16. celtic20

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    I'm one of these guys who'll be happy to see Forrest come on despite the fact whenever he does he does absolutely nothing. Not been his best season, and will be interesting to see what happens with his contract talks.
     
  17. Liam Scales

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    Aye, type of player that can play * and pop up with important goals regardless. Can be frustrating but I love a player like that, back on the topic of Forrest, the fact that when he is having a stinker he's a man down is the biggest problem.

    If he could do similar to Commons then nobody would complain.

    Two of the worst performances I can remember from Commons was Zagreb last season where he scored the winning goal in a 1-0 game and his hat trick at Kilmarnock in his 32 goal season.

    If you're playing pish, that's the way to do it. That's a strong mentality, something that Forrest sorely lacks.
     
  18. Zander Gold Member Gold Member

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    I wouldn't mind Forrest having Commons left foot, his shooting is * honking. He excites me when he's on his game, but he's at the stage of his career where it's unacceptable for that to be once every 5 games or so. He has shown signs of stepping up a little bit more this season, but similarly to Mackay Steven, when he's not playing quite to the top of his game, he goes missing and that has to stop.
     
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    I wouldn't trust Forrest to have the vision to pick out a defence-splitting past. I wouldn't trust him to hit a good freekick. I wouldn't trust him to hit a long ball. Wouldn't trust him to win a header. Wouldn't trust him to lob the keeper. Wouldn't trust him to round the keeper in a one-on-one. Wouldn't trust him to dribble around 2 players. Don't see him scoring a 30 yard screamer. Wouldn't trust him if the ball fell to him on the edge of the box crying out for a volley/half-volley.

    He's fast. He can sprint to the byline and chip the ball in, and he can hit the ball in straight lines. Beyond that, I don't think he's very good at anything.
     
  20. JasonMcG1888

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    People claiming he might do better under a different manager must have forgot hes been the same from when he broke into the team 5 good games a season. Totally agree with paul