italy vs serbia

why is wontex banned?

 

horrible set of fans, almost Hun like

 

Those weren't fans.

 

ah the old Hun excuse, it wasn't us, they were just wearing our colours, like it or not they were serbian football fans who travelled for a ruck and to follow serbia, maybe it was chelsea, still horrible though

 

No need to be condescending. Read the rest of the thread, you'll see this was organized group of Red Star Ultras coordinated from higher position from Belgrade. Obviously someone has outcome of this event in their best interest, so they hired several Ultra leaders who are also ex national security members.

But yeah, it's easier to live in small world which is divided on Tims and Huns.

There is small minority of people among away support who were actually there to watch the game, but couldn't believe what happened before the match and on stadium.

 

You still don't give up on the "Serbs are huns, Croats are tims" idea? *.

 

Fannies. Wearing balaclavas, like true criminals. ans what was the anti-Albanian shouting for? They were in Italy.

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't Serbs a bit " No Pope Here" and Croatia, well they are more catholic than the pope.

Not surprised they acted the way they did in Italy, still very Hun like

 

You're telling me those hooligans were only * off at their national team not playing well? Explain to me why they were burning Albanian flags and had signs about Kosovo = Serbia? Seems more like a political motive behind it all.

 

i feel sorry for you if you think they're "fans"

all these so called criminals masquerading as football fans, are known to the serbian govt,but tadic is a snivelling little puppet he won't do anything about them.

both ultra firms of red star/partizan are all cashed up criminals some of them (there are genuine fans, w/o violence)..and untill they are cleansed from the face of football, such incidents amongst a minority group will always happen.

funny though, i wonder why nobody ever says anything about other football team's fans antics...like a whole group making * salutes not just one man....

 

thats one reason, its a minor factor. The italian police knew something like this was going to happen..how else would you get let in with a bag of fireworks. Ivan scumbag is on someone's payroll, vioence and * salutes, like i said..he won't be going back to belgrade everyone's out to get his head on a platter.

 

Well, hunlike in so far as any thuggish behaviour is hunlike. But I think this underlines the difficulty of trying to apply the Hun/Tim distinction on a global scale. :icon_mrgreen:

For one thing, not all huns are Protestant, and not all tims are Catholic.

For another, although there is a certain amount of anti-papal feeling in Serbia, it stems from a quite different argument from the protestant / catholic thing. Maybe 80-90% of religious people in Serbia are Orthodox. The Orthodox Church is a Catholic Church. It is just a different Catholic Church from the Roman Catholic Church. This thread's not about theology, but the Orthodox Church could make a pretty good claim to be more Catholic than the Roman Catholic Curch.

The Protestant community in Serbia is very small.

 

GENOA, 13 October 2010 – His name is Ivan: the most wanted of the Serbian hooligans at the Marassi was snapped by photographers just a few minutes after his arrest. You may first have seen him wearing a balaclava, sitting astride the fence around the away fans area before the Italy-Serbia match. Having cut and climbed the fence, his enormous body and tattoos on full display, he threw flares onto the pitch and into the North Stand. However, his tattoos were his Achilles heal.

MANHUNT — This was because the police hunted him half the night, after the trouble caused by Serbian hooligans, which extended from the stands into the small square in front of the stadium, where the coaches were waiting after the match. A gate forced by the fans, clashes with police, who then received reinforcements, forcing every one to get back on the coaches. Ivan too, the “man in black”, the chief bootboy, the tattooed man. A 28, a Red Star, and a hand grenade indelibly printed onto his body. And then the long search began. Police made each passenger get off one by one. They then told all the fans take off their T-shirts, looking for the tattoos captured by the TV cameras. But they found nothing. So the coaches began to leave the Marassi and an evening that had turned into a nightmare for the fans and players. However, they went without him because he had to still be there somewhere or other.


THE LAST COACH — Anyhow, it was 2.30 am and although the passengers who were once again searched, showed off their many tattoos, they weren’t the right ones. So all the Serbian fans had been checked, that is, all bar one. Ivan. He was found at 2.41am in the coach's baggage compartment. Amidst applause and insults from bystanders, the hulking great man was tackled by a number of police and dragged, together with his bags containing hundreds of flares, back into the bowels of the stadium. Now a few hours after looking down on everyone, he sat there, handcuffed.

 

ah i know what you mean.

maybe its because of the vatican's....enthusiam to support the croat *'s in ww2..because catholicism was losing its foothold after austro hungary collapsed.

some croats are exceptionally fanatical in their religion almost to the point of sectarianism.

 

pity they didn't shoot him...

 

because the albanian illegals and ex uck are burning serbian monastries in kosovo and commiting all sorts of crimes.

theres not alot of diff to burning a hun scarf really.

 

Ermm, isn't that a bit like saying that the reason for a sign saying "* out" was lawlessness among illegal black people?

Let's be honest, the reason these * were burning Albanian flags is likely that they are far-right Serbian nationalists, and they hate Albanians. Bogdanov is, I gather, a member of Movement 1389. (For folk unfamiliar with Balkan history, imagine "Movement 1690" and you'll get the general idea.)

There's a big difference between burning a hun scarf because you support Celtic, and burning a neighbouring country's flag because you are a far-right extremist.

 

no.

*sigh*

what the * are you talking about? are you that uneducated? 1389 was when the serbian army went to defend Kosovo- the then state of serbia against the oncoming invading ottoman army, they lost. how the * can you compare it to 1690? william won..whereas prince lazar lost..

so anyone who isn't fond of albanians is an ultra right nationalist? greece, montenegro and macedonia have problems with albanians..does that make them ultra nationalist too?

people burn union flags, does that make them ultra nationalist?

ive never heard of "movement" 1389.

 

With respect, you're missing my point about the 1690 - perhaps I didn't make it clear. Who won the fight is not important. When anyone names their "Movement" after a battle that happened hundreds of years ago, it's a fair bet that progressive politics of goodwill are not high on their agenda. And in this case it's true isn't it - Movement 1389 is in fact a far-right nationalist grouping?

Of course not. But anyone who - in that environment - i.e. a mini-riot led by ultra-right nationalists on foreign soil - would burn an Albanian flag probably is. In those circumstances, the flag-burning gesture is so obviously open to misinterpretation that - if you actually wanted to distance yourself from far-right nationalists - you simply wouldn't be doing it.

 

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