Is Anyone Else Getting Fed Up With The Conspiracy Nonsense?

So long as a player can manage to stay on his feet then no foul has occurred. Would this mean an elbow in the face would not be a foul so long as the player could easily have stayed on his feet.

 

It can still be deemed a foul yes, but would you not rather the player stayed on his feet to slide the ball into an empty net??

I'm still fuming that instead of doing that stokes decided the best course of action was to just fall down hoping beyond hope that the slight contact would be deemed enough to win a penalty... If it had been any other team i'd have been laughing and shouting for the ref to book him and I'm sure most on here would be doing the same.

It's no the first time he could be accused of diving either..

 

Maybe he should have stayed on his feet but regardless a foul inside the penalty should be awarded with a penalty.

How can a player be faulted for accusations of diving? If the other accusations are of a similar nature then he is not guilty.

 

No, Can remember one in particular witch was a lot more clear cut...


There was contact but not enough to make him go over and at full speed you can forgive the ref for missing it, As it took at least 3 angles for everyone else to see it...

 

Still talking about the Stokes foul rather than providing us with some evidence of the Scottish football authorities cheating one other side in the country. I'll take it as the doubting Tims are just collecting together the swathes of evidence.......been a few days now though.

 

This.

 

This, yet again, is wrong and inaccurate. The 'Jim Farry incident' was not an example of a lone cheat. He was the SFA chief executive, and the organisation made attempts to cover up Farry's cheating, the institution was implicit in the whole thing.

As others have mentioned, where is the proof that other Scottish clubs have been cheated, decieved and lied to by the SFA on the same scale as Celtic? Or is it all just a coincidence that every time corruption and cheating within the SFA has been exposed and proven that it's been Celtic that have always been on the recieving end?

How do you explain the number of caps the Lisbon Lions received?
How do you explain the SFA president trying to prohibit Celtic from flying the Irish tricolour, and the subsequent actions of the then Celtic chairmen Robert Kelly?
How do you explain Jim Farry's cheating, and the SFA's attempted cover up?
How do you explain Rev. Mike McCurry being described as a cheat by the now Scotland national team manager after a 'poor' performance at Ibrox, and then subsequently singing a Rangers anthem at a church service the following week?
How do you explain the Rangers goal-keeper Bobby Brown giving out awards to former referees at masonic halls, and what many of them described as being their 'proudest achievement'?
How do you explain the 'Dougie, Dougie' scandal, and the SFA and the head of referees attempted cover up?
How do you explain the head of referees, Hugh Dallas, who believed he was in position and an environment which he felt it was perfectly acceptable to send anti-Catholic emails to colleagues?
How do you explain the conduct of former SFA president George Peat?
How do you explain the conduct of former Rangers player, and former SFA chief executive Gordon Smith?
How do you explain the conduct of the former Rangers employee, and current SFA president Campbell Ogilvie?
To mention just a few.

I don't think you will be able to explain any of it. But no doubt you'll ignore this, and any proven facts that others have stated.

 

The thing with this is people like to concentrate on the way it manifests itself on the pitch and say “Oh but that happens to everyone” and yes; to a certain extent it does happen to everyone. I’d argue it doesn’t happen as much in big games to any other club in the SPL other than Celtic but there you go that’s an argument for another day that I don’t want to focus on just now.

I’ve been using my mobile throughout this debate so couldn’t say as much as I really wanted due to it being a pain in the hole typing on a mobile phone.

People in here need to learn and study about the culture in Scotland since the mid 1800’s and beyond; historically there has been anti-Catholic and anti-Irish racism. This was actively encouraged by the Government at the time; due to the economic situation and poverty throughout Scotland. Blame Johnny Foreigner and all that.

In the middle of all this Celtic were founded; originally intended to unite and help both sides of the divide; now Irish Catholics seen the club as a beacon of hope and flocked to it. For relatively many years Celtic and Rangers co-existed in peace; the persecution of the Irish in Scotland was still going on but the ‘Old Firm’ that now existed were on friendly terms.

That is until Celtic started surpassing Rangers in terms of support and achievement on the field and their chairman in the early 1900’s spotted an opportunity.

He took the ill feeling against the people that made up the majority of our support; the poor; the immigrants; the Irish Catholics; they who everybody were against and he twisted it to his own purpose; he went down to the shipyards and announced that Rangers were the club for the Protestant majority and he was successful in his campaign.

An already bitter feeling towards our support was turned; it was us against them. Suddenly Rangers were the establishment club; if you were anyone of ‘a proper background’ then you were on that side of the divide. This included the heads of the Footballing Association at the time.

From this time forward you have many instances of persecution from the authorities in Scotland against Celtic; culminating in an attempt to get us to take our Tri Colour down from above the stand at Celtic Park in the 1950’s - “You aren’t Irish” was the cry at the time and we were prepared to go out of business for it. It came down to a vote in the football clubs; ironically; Rangers voted against it to save us.

From here on you get the evidence of great figures throughout Celtic’s history. From Jock Stein saying that Celtic need to be better than any other team in the country to beat the referees in the 70’s; to Billy McNeill outright stating he always felt we were cheated in the 80’s.

This brings us up to Jim Farry and Wee Fergus in the 90’s; Fergus McCann was the first man Celtic had at the helm in a very long time who was a proper business man; the first man who came in from the outside and took a look at the old boys club at the SFA; which since around 1910 had not changed; jobs for the boys.

Like minded individuals got the promotions; the mates got the jobs and the attitude of against Celtic; against the Irish Catholic’s had permeated and poisoned the SFA to the present day.

Fergus went after him like a terrier and he caught him; Farry had withheld Jorge Cadette’s registration until Rangers had had a chance to play us without our new star signing. Celtic believed at the time that a man called George Peat was heavily involved; our lawyers while they agreed with us about Peat; thought that Farry would be better got at alone; as it was harder to prove Peat…

This brings us through to the present day; George Peat freshly retired from a position of power (and another tirade against Celtic…) in 2011 hands the reigns over to his mate Campbell Ogilvie.

Campbell Ogilvie has reigned over Rangers for a large part of his life; he was steeped in a Sectarian signing policy; he done nothing to stop it; infact he backed it. He is now one of the major players in our game. Jobs for the boys…

From Hugh Dallas getting the sack for being caught in anti-Catholic jokes to members of the SFA coming out and saying that the sectarianism within the SFA is canteen culture; it is still alive to this day.

Make no doubt about it; we are the enemy; they are just following what their fathers done and their fathers before them.

This is just a basic history; not all; there are many more examples; there are many more warts on Scottish Culture to do with this issue that backs it up.

For people to not take this seriously or at least take a look at it is denying over a century and a half of information that is at their disposal.

It can and does happen in this day; we are striving towards a fix but in times of poverty and trouble the warts on society always come back out.

Unfortunately that is exactly what is happening in Scotland just now; with a certain club in particular that attracts these like minded individuals.

They always do say beware the wounded animal.

 

Top post Devlin mate.

 

Quality post Devlin (again). I am still against the cry of conspiracy because it is plain as day BLATANTLY obvious therefore cannot be a conspiracy.

It's only recently that due to some outrageous decisions that Celtic have really started to make a dent into the years of being conned and cheated come out in public. And I feel that with each passing year Scottish football could eventually be cleaned up, and this is down to Celtic FC's persistence with showing them up for what they are.

 

Devlin - that's a phenomenaly well-written piece right there! Top notch stuff!

It's strange how those who are claiming there is no 'conspiracy' fail to deliver such damning evidence to support their argument. After all, Devlin's post only really scratches the surface and you could analyse so many different refereeing decisions and other, slightly more trivial matters that all add up. Those arguing against the conspiracy, with ill-concealed glee, headed straight for this thread as soonm as the punishment against Rangers was announced, seemingly forgetting that the SFA didn't actually come to that conclusion - an independent panel did. £160k worth of fines for breaching something like 7 rules? Actually seems fairly lenient to me. Those using that as an argument to prove there is no conspiracy have actually just shown how weak their overall argument truly is.

 

Cheers lads

 

All in all this is a very good post mate. I'm just curious as to where you learned this part? I can't say I've ever read up on Rangers' history obviously but I would like to know when their ill feeling towards Irish Catholics began. If you think of the divide in the simplest terms of Irish vs British then it's blatantly obvious where the "Irish" originates from on our side but where does the Protestant & British imperialism support begin for the Dark Side?

 

Celtic and Rangers weren't the rivalry like they are today until the 1920s when Irish immigrants started flocking to Scotland. After that, Rangers became the club for the Protestants and the establishment who were unhappy with the Irish Catholics who were coming over. Celtic's ethos and history meant that they were the natural selection for most Irish Catholic immigrants at the time, whereas the very people htat despised them supported the huns - hence the rivalry and bigotry that exists to this very day in Scotland.

 

Yeah but how does that happen? Surely there has to be some kind of directive coming from someone at Rangers around that time. Like Devlin was talking about their chairman during the early 1900s, which is why I wondered where he found that out. I don't think bigotry as blatant as what existed at Rangers up until 1988 could have festered and lasted this long if it was just an underlying feeling of resentment, especially when in recent times the rest of Scottish society has more or less moved on, yet they remain as bitter as ever. It surely had to come from someone at Rangers more or less stating their "official" position.

 

I’ve read a lot of books about the rivalry mate; I can’t for the life of me remember the name of the chairman that done it at the moment but what he done was very, very clever and very damaging for Scottish Society; he turned Rangers from the polar opposite of Celitc. His campaigns Rangers were mostly aimed at the shipyards; which was the working class Protestant haven of the time.
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As far as I know they didn’t outright state at the time that this was what they were going to do ‘no Catholics’ etc. that evolved over time.
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There was a hatred for Irish Catholics who came over and worked in Scotland. An absolute hatred from those on the opposing side. Now Celtic were formed by Irish immigrants and were seen as the club for immigrants. The Irish Catholic immigrants felt an attachment to Celtic subsequently. As Devlin said, a Rangers chairman used this to recruit more fans. The natural people would be the rivals of the Irish Catholic immigrants; namely the Protestant people of the West of Scotland. The establishment of a rivalry based on religion and bigotry was firmly rooted only a few years later and remains to this today, much like anti-catholicism and anti-Irishness still exist within Scottish society to this day.

 

It went deeper than just hatred against Irish and Catholics. It was a feeling of being superior that was instilled into them, first by the Government and then by Rangers. The people who were 'born of proper stock'. The Peepil.

It was right through society; hence people getting into positions of power and it does go onto this day. Hence people like Campbell Ogilvie and George Peat being involved for how long they have been/were.

That's why I have high hopes for Regan; without sounding morbid; most of Ogilvie's type are old now. With somebody knew in hopefully there replacements will not be like for like.