Illegia's UEFA appeal fails - Going to CAS. FAILS AGAIN

Last time I checked this was a CELTIC fans forum, for CELTIC fans, not pissy wee Legia * that can't accept the only fault in this case is from their own side! :bbpd:

 

4-4 check Uefas results. :bbpd:

 

Well, not all punishment comes in forms of forfeit or disqualification. There's always the possibilility of introducing monetary penalties, maybe even objectively linked to the financial well-being of the club violating the rule.

I think most of all there should be more consistency in those rules. Either give UEFA full discretionary power in all cases, and perhaps add an extra financial penalty if a player is also found to be suspended, or give the board no discretion at all. My 2 cents.

 

I'm asking why you can't accept that your club DID * up and just get on with it instead of *, moaning and whining about UEFA being unfair. The best team would have won IF your Club didn't screw up on the registration of one of their players. On the park Legia beat us, yes, but your manager sent on a player who was not allowed to be IN the team let alone play.

So according to you, sport should be about fielding players who aren't allowed to play and basically breaking rules? Sport HAS won because the ruling bodies have ejected a team who fielded a suspended player!

Think you need to read up on that case because the two scenarios are different and fall under different rulings.


SPLstats ‏@SPLstats Aug 8
Note the difference in wording between Rules 1 & 3 here. Legia come under 1, Debrecen came under 3

 

You lot should be ok then:bbpd:

 

@poster above: We are well aware of this!
The debate is about whether there should be such an extreme difference in discretionary power for the UEFA disciplinary board between these two scenarios (rules). You know, in most "real life" courts, unequal treatment (discrimination) is one of the key arguments used to strike down certain aspects of an existing law. It also doesn't exactly have a high success rate... =)

 

So what's been happening then ? :icon_mrgreen:

 

Your club and it's history is about as comparable to a microscopic bit of * in the atlantic ocean compared to Celtic. We got beat we don't * care.... We humped you lot 3-0 anyway :smiley-laughing002:

Enjoy the europa

 

They are still trying to muddy the waters & defend the indefensible,
along with trying to change the rules retrospectively in a competition
they entered & broke those rules

Hopefully next years polish entrant will be a more vigilant & professional
club that will play within the competition rules.

 

If you're aware of it then why are you * about it, because your club done exactly what the rule told you not to do

Yes there should because it's a simple rule. Field a registered player who is suspended and you forfeit the game. It's not a grey area.

 

It's not because a rule is clear, that it is "just".
But that's another debate, it's the Celtic forum, not a forum for judicial review

 

You seriously have no idea how the law works, do you? If legal cases were as simple as that, then being a lawyer wouldnt be a profitable profession. If there is ANY mistake in the wording of a rule, ANY disagreement between two rules, ANY loophole in ANY of the laws that have to do with suspension, or registration of a player, then it can be used to change the ruling legaly.
Such disagreement between some of the articles was found so the decision can be legaly changed. UEFA didnt want to do it for obvious reasons (logistics, Celtic bringing them more revenue, covering their * in case Celtic goes to CAS).
Now, once it goes to CAS, those reasons do not apply to them. They dont give a *. So since there are legal ways to change the decision according to lawyers, then it is up to a good will of CAS. The panel of judges just has to decide what they think is right. Normally it would be 50-50 situation, but because of one side having a clear rule in place, while other providing possibility to change the verdict by finding contradictions and loopholes in existing rules (which is weaken but still enough to legally change the decision), I think the odds are 60-40 in favor of UEFA.

And no, sport hasnt won, because the player had no effect on the score so from pure quality on the pitch, Legia was far superior. If bourocracy=sport then yes, you have a case, but for me sport doesnt equal with bouracracy(how the * do you spell that )


Tim-time 1888. We are all waiting for monday evening for decision

 

It doesn't have to be just, it just has to be complied with

 

That's how I see it, the it doesn't need amended, nor does the punishment. It's a very, very easy rule to follow and the punishment is fair as the player is suspended/ineligible so shouldn't be on the field anyway.

Lads, it's a sport too, not someone going to court over a crime such as theft or murder, they shouldn't be compared. Of course "real life" court is going to a lot different to governing sports.

 

If Celtic had played a suspended player & won the match
would you think that was acceptable?

yes or no?
or would you be sqealing worse than now?

 

Heard from a person eh? Interesting stuff.

I can't vouch for others but, with all this "hearing things from people" stuff you're certainly starting to make me change my mind.

If you hear anything more from people, can you make sure you come on here again and let me know? Then for sure I'd support Legia in this matter.

Unless I heard differently from another person of course.

 

legia being the model of what football is and should be wouldnt in this case accept champions league money obviously they would see that footbal had win and who cares about stupid rules.

 

:smiley-laughing002:

 

The rule is there and it's from UEFA themselves so if you want to argue about the "law" then take it up with them. Just because I'm not a lawyer it doesn't mean that I can't understand the rules that are laid out in plain English for everyone to see. You lot are trying to continue to try and make a black and white rule that is applicable in this situation all muddy and distorted when it's very clear.

I couldn't give a flying * about CAS because they will see the exact same thing that everyone (well, everyone apart from you Legia fans) else sees and that will be what is written in the UEFA rule book. CAS cannot go against what is actually written in the rules because if they did it would make a totally mockery of the game and then any team who ever had a grievance would just go to CAS and moan "we wiz screwed".

Like I said earlier -