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Illegia's UEFA appeal fails - Going to CAS. FAILS AGAIN

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honda said: ↑

They won't change it when the tie is even closer, teams won't be able to get flights etc. There delaying it which in turn will delay there cas, which will mean it'll be too late. Haha.
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Good point, the further the delay the worse for them if it goes against them re taking it to CAS. Let's hope for a positive Friday verdict :icon_mrgreen:

Millerntor, Aug 13, 2014

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The reason is that they found inaccuracy in the rules:
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All you have done is provide the rulings which show how Legia have * up.

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Mychu said: ↑

The reason is that they found inaccuracy in the rules:

18.01 In order to be eligible to participate in the UEFA club competitions, players must be registered with UEFA within the requested deadlines to play for a club and fulfil all the conditions set out in the following provisions. Only eligible players can serve pending suspensions.

18.04 Each club is responsible for submitting an A list of players (List A) and a B list of players (List B), duly signed, to its association for verification, validation, signature and forwarding to UEFA. These lists must include the name, date of birth, shirt number and name, nationality and national registration date of all players to be fielded in the UEFA club competition in question, as well as the surname and first name of the head coach. In addition, the lists must include the confirmation by the club's doctor that all players have undergone the requested medical examination; the club's doctor is solely responsible for ensuring that the requested players' medical examination has been duly performed.

18.05 The club bears the legal consequences for fielding a player who is not named on list A or B, or who is otherwise not eligible to play.
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did ye aye?

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I don't see any inaccuracy in those rules at all, IF anything it's made it even clearer to me that Legia have ballsed up and have no chance of overturning it.

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"Only eligible players can serve pending suspensions."

Well Legia have already admitted that they didn't register the guy against St.Pats because he was suspended so therefore he didn't serve his ban because they didn't register him.

Therefore deeming him Ineligible to play against us as he hadn't served the ban.

How hard is that to understand. Legia messed up, NOT US.
Hope UEFA actually punish them further if they persist with this as it's becoming a joke and they're just trying to make us look like the bad guys in all of this.

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So whats the story then , how come its been put back another day ?

Tim-Time 1888, Aug 13, 2014

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Mychu said: ↑

The reason is that they found inaccuracy in the rules:

18.01 In order to be eligible to participate in the UEFA club competitions, players must be registered with UEFA within the requested deadlines to play for a club and fulfil all the conditions set out in the following provisions. Only eligible players can serve pending suspensions.

18.04 Each club is responsible for submitting an A list of players (List A) and a B list of players (List B), duly signed, to its association for verification, validation, signature and forwarding to UEFA. These lists must include the name, date of birth, shirt number and name, nationality and national registration date of all players to be fielded in the UEFA club competition in question, as well as the surname and first name of the head coach. In addition, the lists must include the confirmation by the club's doctor that all players have undergone the requested medical examination; the club's doctor is solely responsible for ensuring that the requested players' medical examination has been duly performed.

18.05 The club bears the legal consequences for fielding a player who is not named on list A or B, or who is otherwise not eligible to play.
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Did they aye? What a lot of * lol! Away you go watch some more Suits on Netflix!

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Mr Hoopy said: ↑

That makes it worse that they have moved from 1pm to tomorrow
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Could be tonight

dazza297, Aug 13, 2014

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Tim-Time 1888 said: ↑

So whats the story then , how come its been put back another day ?
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Has it? No-one has been told when it was going to be announced. Legia said 1pm then tonight or tomorrow. Our media were saying Thursday or Friday.

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Mychu said: ↑

The reason is that they found inaccuracy in the rules:

18.01 In order to be eligible to participate in the UEFA club competitions, players must be registered with UEFA within the requested deadlines to play for a club and fulfil all the conditions set out in the following provisions. Only eligible players can serve pending suspensions.

18.04 Each club is responsible for submitting an A list of players (List A) and a B list of players (List B), duly signed, to its association for verification, validation, signature and forwarding to UEFA. These lists must include the name, date of birth, shirt number and name, nationality and national registration date of all players to be fielded in the UEFA club competition in question, as well as the surname and first name of the head coach. In addition, the lists must include the confirmation by the club's doctor that all players have undergone the requested medical examination; the club's doctor is solely responsible for ensuring that the requested players' medical examination has been duly performed.

18.05 The club bears the legal consequences for fielding a player who is not named on list A or B, or who is otherwise not eligible to play.
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Reading that just shows you how much Legia * up

Enjoy the Europa

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Mychu said: ↑

The reason is that they found inaccuracy in the rules:

18.01 In order to be eligible to participate in the UEFA club competitions, players must be registered with UEFA within the requested deadlines to play for a club and fulfil all the conditions set out in the following provisions. Only eligible players can serve pending suspensions.

18.04 Each club is responsible for submitting an A list of players (List A) and a B list of players (List B), duly signed, to its association for verification, validation, signature and forwarding to UEFA. These lists must include the name, date of birth, shirt number and name, nationality and national registration date of all players to be fielded in the UEFA club competition in question, as well as the surname and first name of the head coach. In addition, the lists must include the confirmation by the club's doctor that all players have undergone the requested medical examination; the club's doctor is solely responsible for ensuring that the requested players' medical examination has been duly performed.

18.05 The club bears the legal consequences for fielding a player who is not named on list A or B, or who is otherwise not eligible to play.
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So basically, what you are saying here, is that Legia * up, and the ruling was correct.

murphy88, Aug 13, 2014

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Yes, you missed everythig. Justice is not equal with regulations/law. These are not synonymous words. Justice is moral rightness, rationality, fairness, ethic etc. Laws and regulations tend to be unfair, immoral, unethical.

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Dignity, honour and integrity – those are some of the words being used by Legia Warsaw, its supporters and former players when calling on Celtic to reject their place in the play-off round of the Champions League against Maribor.

Legia’s campaign against UEFA to hand them a 3-0 defeat, after they breached UEFA regulations, turned from claiming a simple clerical error to begging then an orchestrated PR campaign to show Celtic as the bad guy in this whole fiasco – a fiasco solely down to Legia Warsaw failing to adhere to UEFA’s rules and regulations which they signed and agreed to at the start of the year before kicking a ball in anger.

There is no denying that in football terms alone, Legia Warsaw deserved to go through as they hammered Celtic over the two legs. But what also cannot be denied is that Legia Warsaw breached UEFA rules covering European football and were therefore punished by the only punishment available – a 3-0 defeat handed to them in forfeit.

They were not thrown out of the Champions League, they were not banned and they certainly were not kicked out in favour of the more fancied Celtic as some – even in Scotland – are claiming. Legia were handed a 3-0 defeat and with that added to Legia’s 4-1 win in the first leg – the tie was 4-4 after UEFA’s decision – therefore Legia went out on away goals.

IF Legia Warsaw had scored those two penalties that Charlie Mulgrew gifted to them in the first leg, you wouldn’t be reading this article, Legia would be preparing for Maribor rather than begging to anyone that will listen – how they have been wronged by UEFA and Celtic.

There is no denying that the Champions League is a financial gold mine for not only the clubs participating, but also UEFA themselves and they do treat the big teams differently to that of the ‘provincial’ and smaller clubs. However, we have known this long before last week’s decision and yet some are still surprised at this?

Celtic are not a big club in European football – despite the rhetoric from the club’s PR staff – they cannot compete with bottom of the EPL clubs nor top half championship teams in terms of wages. Last season proved that against quality opposition they can be beaten and humbled also.

Celtic is not a cash cow for UEFA – neither is Legia Warsaw – but it seems that Legia want UEFA to ignore their own rules to favour the Polish champions over a club who adhered to the same rules that Legia breached and now want ignored.

If UEFA does change their mind on this decision then it sets a dangerous precedent in which clubs can use to their advantage over their opposition – if that is the case why have rules in the first place?

You may be surprised to hear that it is not the first time that Legia have fallen foul of UEFA and bumped their gums about it.

After ANOTHER Champions League qualifier, this time in July 2013 against Welsh champions The New Saints, Legia Warsaw were fined 30,000 euros (£25,700) and ordered a partial stadium closure for their European home game against Steaua Bucharest because of the racist behaviour of their supporters.

Legia breached Article 14 of the UEFA disciplinary regulations on racism, other discriminatory conduct and propaganda, in relation to incidents in both legs against TNS.

In response to the sanctions imposed, Legia Warsaw fans displayed a banner with the message “Ultra Extreme Fanatical Atmosphere” and lit flares and fire crackers in an explosive protest before the opening kick of the match against Steaua Bucharest.

There was no apology for the racist behaviour of their fans.

Controversy has never been far away from Legia – again all of their own making.

Earlier this year a match between Legia Warsaw and rivals Jagiellonia Białystok turned into a battle between rival Ultra fans, causing the match to be abandoned. Not only that these ‘halo’ wearing Legia fans also attacked Celtic supporters in a Warsaw bar before the first leg tie between the two sides.

However, the biggest piece of evidence that proves that Legia are hypocritical when they call for sporting integrity to win out, is their part in one of the biggest match fixing scandals in Polish football history.

Anti-corruption journalist Ben Wheatland recently wrote: “When the stakes of qualification are so high, the stakes for missing out become even higher. Spending money usually puts a club in with a better chance of winning and therefore qualifying, but even this is not a guaranteed method. So then, why not make sure you win the league another way, by paying referees to give a favourable decision in a crucial game, or paying rival players to throw games.

“This is what happened with Widzew and Zagłębie in 2007-08, and both Legia Warsaw and ŁKS Łódź in 1992-93, where they both lost out on the title to Lech Poznań after having match results disqualified for match fixing. Legia Warsaw’s 6-0 win at Wisła Kraków on the last day of the 1992-3 season was wiped out due to match-fixing.”

The Polish FA are also far from lily-white in this scandal also.

Polish authorities in 2005, began investigating widespread corruption with the game. A year later the Polish sports minister criticised the Polish FA for failing to take proper steps in their fight against corruption and launched an investigation into the running of the association itself.

Polish FA board member Wit Zelazko was arrested by Police in January 2007 on corruption charges, but when the entire FA board was suspended FIFA stepped in demanding they be reinstated – despite the widespread allegations of corruption surrounding them. With threats of sanctions, the authorities backed down and the Polish FA board was reinstated.

A year later, the Polish Olympic Committee demanded the Polish FA be suspended for a second time, claiming they were guilty of “violating its statutes in a continuous and flagrant fashion.”

After they were suspended once more, FIFA stepped in to give them another reprieve.

By 2009, 200 people had been arrested by the Polish authorities, including referees, observers, coaches, players as well as some high-ranking officials of the Polish FA.

Zagłębie Lubin, were relegated from the Polish top flight due to corruption, along with Widzew Łódź who were also charged with corruption and match fixing – but were relegated through poor performances on the park anyway.

According to reports in Poland, a total of 75 Polish football clubs have been suspected of match fixing and corruption over the years.

Corruption is still rife in the game despite the authorities best efforts.

Legia Warsaw may ‘no longer be the friends of Celtic’ but they certainly cannot lecture or dictate what Celtic should do after they simply kept quiet and let UEFA deal with the situation according to their rules.

The club asking for Celtic to uphold sporting integrity and doing what is best for the game, not only were found guilty of widespread racist behaviour and hooliganism – but also corruption to fix games in a bid to win the league title.

Legia are certainly not a club that should be lecturing anyone about ‘sporting integrity’.

In Legia’s own words: “It’s not just about the money, it’s about what football stands for, the values of honesty and honour.”

It’s a pity that they didn’t care about the values of honesty and honour, as well as what football stands for when they bought referees and fixed matches to win the Polish league title.

Whatever UEFA’s decision is on Wednesday, one thing is clear Celtic have nothing to be ashamed of in this whole mess and as I wrote last week, not one club would have rejected that place in the next round of the Champions League qualifiers – if the shoe was on the other foot do you really think Legia would hand over the keys to potentially qualifying for the group stages of the competition for the good of the game and with the thuggish and racist fan base that they have?

As Gordon Strachan said: “That’s the rules and you have to deal with it.”

Thats a true story about football.and quite a bit about how your club and fans
Hold the values of honesty, fairness, integrity, ethics.
Now with the greatest of respect do me the pleasure of * off please
And let me enjoy my bowl of cheerios

P.S
What had the baker story got to do with it unless your club had been
Helping him with his tax returns
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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/polish-fa-chief-brands-legia-4042599
RECORD Sport understands Bartosz Bereszynski raised the suspension issue after being tipped off to a potential problem before the Murrayfield clash - but was assured he was clear to play.

SNS GroupLegia playing Bartosz Bereszynski, right, gave Celtic an unlikely lifeline
POLISH FA chief Zbigniew Boniek has branded Legia Warsaw incompetent – as fresh evidence from key figure Bartosz Bereszynski last night blew a gaping hole in his club’s appeal to UEFA.

Bereszynski’s three-minute appearance as a sub against Celtic at Murrayfield led to the Scottish champions’ controversial reinstatement to the Champions League.

Legia’s failure to register the defender for the previous round against St Patrick’s meant he was technically still banned for the ties against Ronny Deila’s team.

And, in a stunning new twist, Record Sport understands Bereszynski raised the suspension issue with Legia hierarchy BEFORE the game.

Polish sources have revealed Warsaw keeper Dusan Kuciak tipped his team-mate off to a potential problem before the Murrayfield clash but that Bereszynski was assured by the club he was clear to play.

UEFA will hear Legia’s appeal against expulsion in Nyon this morning but the new calamity surrounding their blunder provides damning evidence.

Bereszynski said: “I will not confirm or deny this information as these are matters which will stay within club walls. Who has to know at the club knows.”

But when asked to confirm the story involving Kuciak, who had encountered a similar case during his spell with Romanians Vaslui, Bereszynski said: “I was convinced the suspension was completed but I can confirm Dusan was first to react.

“He told me there had been a similar situation in Vaslui and I should check it out. Then I started to get interested.”
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Any time I see "Record Sport understands", I just automatically assume it is complete and utter bullshit.

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Any time I see "Record Sport understands", I just automatically assume it is complete and utter bullshit.
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And you'd be right to think that Murphy. That means they are second to a story and need to "invent" something quick to make a headline.

Utter * !!!!!!

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Sorry this is a bit of a TL/DR am I right in saying that the decision will be announced at 1pm tomorrow the 14th?

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Millerntor said: ↑

Has it? No-one has been told when it was going to be announced. Legia said 1pm then tonight or tomorrow. Our media were saying Thursday or Friday.
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Sorry my mistake, I read a couple of posts and took them to be correct saying it was tomorrow sorry

Whole thing is a * shambles. I just thought it would be a case of UEFA meet first thing this morning for breakfast and confirm what they had already ruled on and then crack on with their day.

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They've prob already made there decision and cracking on with there day. Add some lunch onto there expenses etc lol

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They definitely won't win appeal.. If they did then armagedon would follow.. Teams over the years would take them to court, the draw would have to be redone, flight cancellations,complaints from other teams....etc etc...

Bonobhoy, Aug 13, 2014

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And you'd be right to think that Murphy. That means they are second to a story and need to "invent" something quick to make a headline.

Utter * !!!!!!
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Aye, what I normally take from it, is that they really don't have any clue what the facts are, but if they stick "Record Sport understands", it allows them write any old * that will sell papers, and if they are wrong, it doesn't really matter, as they were only really guessing to begin with.

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