How Do You Think The Club Should Deal With Leigh Griffiths?

There is controversial and then there is racist mate. you cant pass off racism as controversial banter just because it's at the football.

I was disgusted at the Walters incident and I'm disgusted at this, things like that have no place in society, football or otherwise

 

Di Canio's political leanings weren't very well known, if known at all when he was with us.

 

That video proves nothing, yet the media (sportscene for example) already have him being guilty.

 

Thats what it is though banter, same as comedians tell dodgy jokes to get laughs knowing they are controversial. Football fans sing songs to offend the opposition, its always went on and always will until laws get more and more severe over time and you get the jail just for swearing at a game.

I wasnt alive during the Walters thing and havent seen it but I mind a game against the huns them singing "bobo balde peals bananas with his feet" and thought it was shocking at the time but at the end of the day he's probably not bothered about it, im not and no harm was done.

I wouldny sing these types of songs as they are more severe than others but then again someone thinking me mocking Simon Westons melted face and chanting argentina at him as worse.

 

That is a good point. Very good point in fact. I hadn't thought about that one.

 

Oh right, you get my point though hopefully. Everyone here including me cheered Kenny Miller when he scored for us, then went back to calling him a dirty orange * a season or two later.

Though, to be fair, calling him an orange * was not a sectarian offence, just a factual statement about his shocking over-use of fake tan products.

As ILTC says fans will always say "offensive" things and the whole reason the law is stupid is because offensiveness is an entirely subjective thing, some people have very high thresholds for it and some people can't even tolerate the word "*".

So yeah Leigh Griffiths has been stupid - he appears to be quite a stupid person - but I don't think he should get banned for it just like I don't think Anelka should have got banned for that weird hand gesture he did.

 

There was already laws in place to deal with racism though, nobody had any issue with that.

Being crass or insensitive is one thing, singing openly xenophobic songs is another matter entirely.

 

The Skacel song isn't "offensive" it's racist.

David Murray song was "offensive", Mrs Tebbitt was "offensive" Mark Walters incident was racist.

There is a clear distinction between them.

 

They're handing out bans to consumers of their product for singing Irish songs, sometimes with zero evidence of any 'wrong doing', so we'll wait and see what they do with an employee.

Lennon is on record as saying there will be no tolerance of racism so we'll see what happens...

There are two ways it can go, we can go down the education route of trying to educate him about racism and doing charity work with refugees, or just cut our losses and get rid of him.

 

I dont think it is, theres a differance between singing or saying racist stuff to annoy people and actually being racist or doing stuff.

When we sung about Novo dying from being shot by the IRA, nobody was actually wanting it to happen. Nobody would have condoned the shooting of Novo cause he played football against us. It was just a song and thats all it would ever be.

For me it all comes under the umbarella of people taking stuff too serious.

 

Slightly off topic, Mrs Tebbitt? Im assuming Norman Tebbitt's wife?

 

There's not really though in practice because as I said it's impossible to quantify offensiveness. There's literally no way of knowing whether David Murray was more or less offended by "legless" jokes than Mark Walters was at racist songs, for instance. On paper one is "worse" than the other but personal subjectivity makes it impossible to have a blanket universal approach to this type of thing. I know black people who don't give a * about being called the n word, and I know white girls who would cry their eyes out and slit their wrists if you called them fat - in the PC eyes of the law one is clearly worse than the other - but in reality only one (the lesser one) has actually had an effect - if you get my crazy point!

Disciplining football players or fans will do nothing to eliminate racism from society, and in my opinion is nothing more than a tokenistic gesture by the ones who actually invented and performed real racism.

If we are really serious about getting rid of racism then we have to teach kids from an early age and try and get different types of people to mix with each other. If Griffiths is a racist now then he's not going to change - the vast majority of your beliefs and ideals in life are set in stone by the time you reach your teenage years in all honesty.

 

Not for me mate. There is a clear distinction between racism and close to the bone offensiveness, there has to be, anything less just serves to help legitimise racism.

 

Aye mate, a Jungle favourite. Mrs Tebbitts got blown away by the IRA.

 

Legless people aren't subject to abuse all the time though, they aren't historically looked down on or ridiculed.

Racism is a very serious problem and that is the reason it takes precedence over a lot of other issues

 

It's always a big mistake by a player to drink with the fans when they are playing their rivals. The non-pc songs and offensive songs are always sung. Griff wanted to be seen as a hibby lad come home he wanted the respect and to try gain that and show he was still one of them he got * up and sang a catchy song but the problem is that catchy song is very offensive. He should get a second chance as long as he is sorry.

 

For me theres not, both are just said to offend people. Everyone is taught racism is the worst thing in the world but I dont really see what makes calling someone a fat * different from calling them a black and that. Its just words said.

Imagine at school if you battered someone because they were fat/ugly it wouldnt be taken that serious than if you just called a black person a black * even just thinking nothing of it not even meaning to be that bad. If both of them grassed on you then for the fight you would probably just be told off no fighting blah blah but for the racist comment who knows you could be expelled even though 1 you actually attacked someone and the other you made a comment and probably never thought much of it.

Real racism should be dealt with as with any kind of real crime. Calling people names should remain what it is, chilidish behaviour some worse than others but nothing to be too worried about.

 

Because fat people where not made to be slaves and sit at the back of the bus or stand for that matter

 

It's handy that this story has come along just in time to take the spotlight away from Sevco's humiliation. An open goal tomorrow's papers surely won't miss.

*Sweep sweep Timmy*

 

But people shouldnt be judged on the actions of others. Just cause someone else sees an offensive comment more offensive than another person doesnt mean it is actually worse.

If a guy made black people get off a bus cause they were black then thats obviously racism but saying something about their race to offend them in an argument isnt real racism and no different from any other offensive comments you can make about anything.