How Do You Think The Club Should Deal With Leigh Griffiths?

A 500 quid fine and an insincere apology is nothing to a footballer.

I said nothing as in no sacking or police action which some of you seem to be praying for because you were so offended by it. Because apparently all of us with Irish descendants that came over during the Potato famine and despite generations of families living here for nearly 200 years. You still class yourselves as refugees.

 

£500... What is a fine that small for exactly?

Why are you talking to me as if I want him sacked and that I'm Irish?

 

My mother traced her father's ancestors back to the Sligo and Derry regions, apparently two of them went to America (we don't know whether they met there or already knew each other from Sligo), married there came back to Sligo and had a kid and then moved to Scotland. With other ancestors she found lots of to-ing and fro-ing between Ireland and Scotland within a family (for instance in a census, I think it was the 1911 one, she found another ancestor's daughter, born in Scotland (who wasn't our direct ancestor) had moved back living with her grandmother in Derry while her parents, brothers and sisters (one of whom was our ancestor) were still in Scotland! It's a really interesting time period and emigration/immigration is clearly not as simple and clear cut a thing as we tend to imagine (I assume the experience of my maternal grandfather's ancestors is typical, maybe it isn't).

Similarly, it'd be crazy to expect the economic and social effects of the great famine to have ended with it. That kind of devestation leaves its mark. Finally it seems clear that emigration from Ireland greatly increased during the famine and remained high for decades after. I'm not a historian, but the connection between that and the large Irish diaspora (including in Scotland) looks fairly obvious to me.

 

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We're not 'getting into the whole sons of sons of sons *'.

What I am saying is that some of Celtic's founding fathers were refugees or sons of refugees. It's quite simple to grasp.

 

Because I thought you did want him sacked and were Irish. Are you a refugee then of some sort of other descent that you have taken so much offence to a harmless chant.

If he gets fined at all. That video proves nothing really, what happened before and after that 20 seconds. Was the chorus of the song 'Skacel, refugee, we love you'? It quite obviously wasn't but can the prosecution prove that. Video evidence has such a high rate of being thrown out in court. Hearsay is actually regarded as better evidence than a video. And how many of them in that hibs pubs are gonna testify against him? Supermarkets for instance never use the video evidence as proof, it's far too unreliable as it is most often not the complete video from the moment they stole something to the moment they left the shop with the stolen item on them.

 

Throw him down the well.

 

Bore off.

 

Shut up now then if you can't make a proper reply.

 

I think you're quite right. There were a number of reasons why people had to leave Ireland, most forced by the political situation on the island.

Take one of Celtic's refugee founding fathers, Pat Welsh, for instance. Funnily enough he was not seeking refuge in Glasgow as a result of the 'famine', but due to his involvement in the * movement.

 

But in court you (quite rightly) have to prove something beyond reasonable doubt. As far as clunpb punishments are concerned, common sense and the balance of probability are giid enough. Common sense (look at the context) and the balance of probability (frim the video evidence) both point to the conclusion he sang it. You know fine well he sang it. Just because the police might not be able to prove it beyond reasonable doubt (and I sincerely hope they can't), doesn't change that fact.

 

Exactly.

 

Sack him now, I have no time for racists against ma pal Rudi

 

This is actually quite common, pre- and post-famine. :icon_mrgreen: Seasonal migration from Ireland to Scotland for work purposes was quite a common phenomenon. I find it quite amusing that Sligo and Donegal have stronger ties to Scotland than the counties on the east coast. :smiley-laughing002: When the famine hit Ireland, it was natural that many of those seasonal workers and their families decided to head for Scotland, though I don't think many of them intended it to be a permanent migration. Oddly enough I remember watching a documentary about a small island off the Irish west coast, it might have been off the coast of Mayo or Kerry, but it was basicaly deserted, with only a handful of villagers left, and all Irish speakers. And one wee old guy on the island had lived there all his life, except for when he spent a few decades in Glasgow, and then went home.

Funnily enough, from what we've been able to find, although my surname comes from a Sligo line, everyone else appears to come from Donegal. :smiley-laughing002:

 

Some of my mother's ancestors also came fron a little Island (now deserted) near Sligo (called Inishmurray). My mother had a book on the place which I once skimmed through. I'm sure I remember the author saying that in the 19th century it was common for young Islanders to work in Glasgow for a period (although most of the men used to come back because they owned land on the Island, or something like that). Such a fascinating time period. I bet the ancestors of most Celtic fans would have similar stories. Seeing on census data that so many of my ancestors were Irish/English bilingual (and to judge by the oldest on the census, even earlier ancestors would have probably been monolingual Irish speakers) made me feel a wish to learn Irish, crazy I know.

 

You clearly labeled the likes of Glass and McLaughlin among other founders who were actually born in Scotland, as refugees. Do you want me to quote the post again? Someone born in Scotland is by no means a refugee in my opinion. If you think that then you have some very strange views on the subject.

 

With the lack of, well anything regarding the whole shenanigans it's getting harder and harder for me to really make a decision on I what I think should happen.

I think the "police" investigation is maybe not being taken seriously and Leigh's lawyer knows this hence why he managed to get the SFA hearing put on hold till the investigation was complete.

OR maybe just maybe the police are treating this seriously and may have more evidence then anyone truly knows and are trying to cover everything so in the end they don't come out of it looking totally stupid, although it is bound to happen anyway.

I reckon that coupled with "video" they are probably trying or maybe already have eye witness statements who where there and will try and use that as enough means to get Leigh, however if say that was the case what then happens to the others in the video who could be seen participating in the event?

 

Horrible things (fried Pizzas that is:smiley-laughing002. I once battered and fried a snickers bar at work and was blown away by how nice it was, though.

 

A pizza crunch is good though, sometimes...

 

Yeah, with the batter to stop the dough soaking up all the oil.

Edit: er, we'd better get back on topic before I get my wrist slapped.

 

Had one a few days ago, good if they're crunchy and rank I'd they're soggy