How Do You Think The Club Should Deal With Leigh Griffiths?

I know the question wasn't addressed to me but I'd like to answer.

I have. I (wrongly) didn't consider myself racist, was dead against employment discrimination against non-whites etc, etc; but yes, I laughed at some jokes about people of Pakistani origin on many different occasions. On a couple of occasions I even told a few, not out of malice but rather showing off: exactly like Griffiths. I don't know whether it is because I've grown up and become less stupid and ignorant or because I made some good friends from an Asian country when I was at uni; either way, there is now no doubt in my mind that such behaviour was both racist and unacceptable. I honestly think it sits less well with our fanbase than that of any other club I know. I was a Celtic fan back then (my teens), but one very ignorant of our traditions and history. None of my friends were Celtic fans. I don't think that's a coincidence.

Equally, I know from personal experience that Griffiths (who is clearly not malicious) can be shown why his views are wrong.

Edit: this is the most embarrassing (and bravest!) thing I've ever posted on here. Please go easy on me.

 

This!


My *, the reactions have gone overboard on here....... no way in * are we * sacking him.:smiley-laughing002:

 

Also laughing at a racist joke doesn't define you as a racist. Nor does making a joke with racist connotations make you a racist. Actually believing the other racists are inferior or actually hating people because of their race is racist.

 

Racist jokes are the funniest. Offensive jokes full stop are by far the funniest. Hence why Frankie Boyle is more popular, and a better comedian, than Michael McIntyre.

There's this view that only white people are racist, and that "racism" solely constitutes whites being bad to blacks. I can tell you right now a lot of black people are very racist! Some of the funniest jokes i've heard are Jamaican black people dissing African blacks, and vice versa.

Don't get caught up in PC bullshit.

So yeah Griffiths is a titboy but we shouldn't waste money and sack him ffs.

 

Give him a fine and that´s it. He should know that as a Celtic player you cant sing such bullshit, but to sack him for that would be overreacting.

 

What on earth does that bit in bold have to do with anything, Caz? Also, why does whether racist jokes are funny/ offensive or not have anything to do with whether they are right or acceptable?

I'm not with the PC brigade. I don't give a * if we offend people (e.g. rebel songs); I do give a * if we're in the wrong (which Griffiths is here).

 

It has a lot to do with everything because if the video was of Efe Ambrose singing, for example, about Aberdeen fans being sheep shaggers there would be no outrage whatsoever and certainly no accusations of racism - and quite rightly. I think Griffiths probably is a bit racist in his outlook, as he comes across as very stupid and ignorant - remember the comment on twitter he made telling an asian boy to "go home". Now I think, basically, calling Dons' mutton molesters is the same as calling Rudi Skacel a refugee. Neither are true, and the person singing the song knows neither are true.

That's the entire point of the song - "Aberdeen fans wear * red tops and are northern, la la la la laaaaa" just doesn't work as football banter.

The point i'm making is that just because something is, or can be deemed, "offensive" should not automatically deem it "unacceptable". Some people will view the word "jock" as racist and offensive, the majority I imagine will not and will laugh at "Englishman, Irishman and a Scotsman..." jokes.

I honestly think society would be better if everyone was just comfortable telling racist or edgy jokes. The best way to eradicate terrorism is to laugh at it, confront it right in the fact and laugh at it.

I've already said Griffiths was in the wrong, but i'm making a wider point that people trying to protect others from "offense" actually has the opposite effect.

 

Don't know why everyone keeps banging on about this tweet from griffiths - it was * long ago enough, and there were fellow players from different races making statements on behalf of Griffiths that he is NOT a racist.....that's good enough for me.

In regards to the person who Griffiths made the tweet about, you not think its fair game if some wee * out of the blue randomly tweets ye a barrage of abuse in regards to YOUR appearance, that you may (albeit a bit immaturely) reply with a prompt quip something about his appearance? I'd say so.....

 

I think people are getting too caught up in equating racism with the so-called races of "scientific racism" (note the scare quotes!), I mean black people, white people etc. In fact it's a much simpler concept than that.

We both know that there is no history of people from Aberdeen being treated as inferior in this country because they come from there. What we have there is a case of banter between different populations in the same community. Big Efe can sing away to his heart's content about their sexual preferences as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand, we do know that Eastern European origin has been associated with racist stereotypes, an interesting example being US immigration quotas at one point in their history, as has Irish origin. It's not so long ago that racist stereotypes about Irish people being thick abounded on these shores.

Singing about Skacel being a refugee would be equivalent to singing about Stokes being thick; singing about Aberdeen being sheep shaggers is not, it's equivalent to me being teased down here for being Scottish and not really liking alcohol that much.

 

We had quite a long debate regarding his tweet before, so I'm not looking to get into another one, as we will just be going over the same stuff. What I will say though, if he wanted to get into a * for tat argument with the guy on twitter, which I would understand to be fair, after the guy made a joke about his appearance, he could have said a million other things. However, he chose to go down the racist route.

 

Exactly - he went * for tat with the guy and made a retort in regards to the guy's appearance.

Can't handle the scandal? Don't dish it out.

 

Dunno about you but I've never retaliated with racism if somebody called me a fat * or said I looked like a thumb.

Generally there's better, funnier things to go after.

 

Which is why I mentioned I thought it was an immature response.

Although, in general I have heard far worse abuse aimed at innocent people than "go back to your own country" in response to a random verbal assault on a social network site.

 

checked the video myself and hes standing up at the start of the video and sits down when the rest of the fans start singing the song so don't know what the fuss is about and the Scottish media yet again trying to get a player from celtic into trouble , I didn't see the media wanting nigel farage sacked when he said when I was on a packed train no one was speaking any English .

 

He starts the song then proceeds to dance like a * throughout a verse of it.

 

Exactly the point I was getting at.

 

if dancing like a * is a crime then i will have to plead guilty :smiley-laughing002:
(along with the vast majority of scots who go to Trafalgar square when going to wembley)

 

1, Farage is leader of a racist or at least xenophobic party, unlikely to sack himself for upholding party views is he?

2, What the * has Farage got to do with a Celtic player filmed leading a racist chant in a pub?

 

Either they sack him or they don't it's as simple as that. Don't see why it's turned into such a big fuss and so many people arguing over it.