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Happy with mediocrity??

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by UncleHo, Oct 21, 2011.

Discuss Happy with mediocrity?? in the Celtic Chat area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. khunter1981

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    Check income versus expenditure. By virtue of playing in a better league they don't need to pay mediocre players a mint to play there, like we do.
     
  2. Funkenblows

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    If you consider £21m in 3 years no money, could you shout me a loan? You must be loaded! £7m a year on average. Sure, we've maybe made more in sales, but that doesn't really matter. We still spend plenty. More than enough to beat the bulk of the SPL.
     
  3. evilbunny1991

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    No we don't spend plenty, because our net spend is generally either zero or in profit, that isn't what i would call spending.
     
  4. Funkenblows

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    But Lennon spent over £9m in his first year and over £3m this. That is actual cash spent to bring players into the club. Which other SPL team, Rangers excepted, spends that much? Ok, we spend less than Rennes, Udinese or Atletico, but much, much more than the teams we face week in, week out. We spend a lot in the context of the SPL. And if we are able to spend £21m in 3 years, and bring in more in sales, thats fine by me. We still are spending enough to (in theory) brush most of the league aside. The money just has to be spent wisely. The £3m+ wasted on Juarez would have bought us Goian, Bocanegra and A.N. Other.
     
  5. C.B.

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    The net spend is zero so we spend no money, fact. Secondly we consistently buy what on today's terms are below standard players or free transfers. Thirdly if we have a good player he is sold. The current strategy has been on operation for the past three seasons and it has patently not worked. As a result we are caught in an ever ending circle of mediocrity. We buy sub standard players in the hope we are buying potential, we fail to win the spl while our only rival has been in the worst crisis in their history. We then fail to gain entry to european finance. We then repeat this process the next season and guess what?

    Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting a different outcome, this is our strategy!
     
  6. Funkenblows

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    No, we spend on average £7m every season. You cannot post an innacurate statement and claim it is fact, and have it be factually accurate. We spend money, we recieve money. Net spend is one thing, but we still do spend money. Ok, we could spend more- *, we could spend £30m each transfer window and be in administartion in 5 years. But you simply cannot deny that on average £7m is spent on player transfers each season. Which should be enough in the SPL, when other teams spend dramatically less.
     
  7. C.B.

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    We spend that on 14 players though whereas it buys you one in the real world and an average one at that.
     
  8. Funkenblows

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    I'm not arguing that what money has been spent hasn't been spent wisely- I think that is the case in fact. Just this issue of zero spend. I think if we'd had managers who were able to work with the existing squads, and spend their cash on one or two quality signings, we'd be much better off now. Too many poor qulaity players brought in at once. Some good buys too, but when you have £7m to spend in a season you can't afford to waste half of it on someone you won't play, and the rest to bring in 11 players.
     
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    Someone done the comparison between us and Porto a while back.The issue is more complicated in other terms but the overall assesment is that we cannot afford to compete with Rennes,Udinese and Athletico Madrid. Domestically we should be competing much better than we are at the moment, Europe is a bonus.

    Looking at total transfers for this season, Scottish Premier spent just over £6 million on incoming transfers of 152, while recouping £7 million on 151 outgoing transfers. A profit of £775,000.
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    The amount spent by Scottish Premier on whole is less than Bundesliga 2, Greek Super League, Belgian Juliper League and just slightly more than Romania Liga 1 and Poland`s Elkstaraklasa.

    <o:p>Transfer Income of the Scottish Premier League is also less than the aforementioned leagues (apart from Liga 1), with the Belgian Juliper top of the list with £71 million recouped in transfers from the league teams. The Greek Super League had double the amount in comparison (£14 milllion)</o:p>
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    Compared to Portugese Super Liga they spent £85 million in total on incoming transfer and £96 million recouped in departures. This made the Super Liga spending 7<SUP>th</SUP> in world Football for spending, behind the Big 5 leagues( Premiership, Serie A ,Primera Division, French Ligue 1 and Bundesliga 1) and Turkey Super Lig.

    CELTIC- Total transfer *spend £3.203 million on 5 signings,

    <TABLE style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-yfti-tbllook: 1184; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt" class=MsoTableGrid border=1 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 0; mso-yfti-firstrow: yes"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 231.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=308>Player</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 231.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=308>Value (£)

    </TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 1"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 231.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=308>Mohammed Bangura

    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 231.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=308>1.936.000

    </TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 2"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 231.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=308>Adam Matthews

    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 231.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=308>198.000

    </TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 3"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 231.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=308>Victor Wanyama

    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 231.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=308>968.000

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    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 231.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=308>101.200

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    *(excluding signing on fees, agents fees etc)

    Celtic only received one transfer fee during this period for Shaun Maloney a total of £990,000.

    <o:p>PORTO- Total Transfer spend* £33 million pounds on 5 signings<o:p></o:p>
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    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 231.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=308>8.448.000

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    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 231.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=308>5.280.000

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    </TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 4"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 231.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=308>Danilo(Santos)

    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 231.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=308>11.440.000

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    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 231.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; HEIGHT: 15.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=308>8.448.000

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    *(excluding signing on fees, agents fees etc)

    Total Transfer outgoings * £39.8 million on 3 sales<o:p></o:p>
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    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 231.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=308>264.000

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    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 231.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=308>35.200.000

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  10. Aldobaldo

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    TOTAL TRANSFERS INCOMING FROM 2003 TILL PRESENT (YEAR AFTER UEFA CUP FINAL)
    <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p>Celtic competes in the Premier League in the 8 seasons after the UEFA Final in Seville, the league made losses in 3 out of 8. Porto who competes in the Super Liga in the same time scale only 1 out of 8 losses was incurred by the League clubs.<o:p></o:p>
    The 3 losses made a total of £24.6 million compared to the 1 loss of £6.048 million.<o:p></o:p>
    <TABLE style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-yfti-tbllook: 1184; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt" class=MsoTableGrid border=1 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 0; mso-yfti-firstrow: yes"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 182.6pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=243>SCOTLAND<o:p></o:p>
    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 8cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=302>PORTUGAL<o:p></o:p>
    </TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 1"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 182.6pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=243>EXPENDITURE INCOME<o:p></o:p>
    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 8cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=302>EXPENDITURE INCOME<o:p></o:p>
    </TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 2"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 182.6pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=243>2.068.000 03/04 17.058.800<o:p></o:p>
    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 8cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=302>21.850.400 03/04 39.010.400<o:p></o:p>
    </TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 3"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 182.6pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=243>14.537.600 04/05 15.734.400<o:p></o:p>
    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 8cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=302>50.402.000 04/05 123.692.800<o:p></o:p>
    </TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 4"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 182.6pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=243>16.856.400 05/06 7.106.000<o:p></o:p>
    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 8cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=302>36.163.600 05/06 69.413.520<o:p></o:p>
    </TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 5"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 182.6pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=243>25.533.200 06/07 24.574.000<o:p></o:p>
    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 8cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=302>20.020.000 06/07 39.578.000<o:p></o:p>
    </TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 6"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 182.6pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=243>31.006.800 07/08 52.760.400<o:p></o:p>
    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 8cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=302>60.720.000 07/08 164.687.600<o:p></o:p>
    </TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 7"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 182.6pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=243>31.473.200 08/09 17.494.840<o:p></o:p>
    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 8cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=302>76.664.720 08/09 70.615.600<o:p></o:p>
    </TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 8"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 182.6pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=243>14.866.720 09/10 22.052.800<o:p></o:p>
    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 8cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=302>72.011.280 09/10 87.714.000<o:p></o:p>
    </TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 9; mso-yfti-lastrow: yes"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 182.6pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=243>17.243.600 10/11 27.149.760<o:p></o:p>
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    RIVALS FINANCIAL CONDITION
    <o:p>Often circumstances dictate how teams like Porto and Celtic compete in their own league. The fierce rivalry which exists between both sides is a marker for comparison. So to an extent financial benchmarks are also within the reasoning of how they clubs are run.<o:p></o:p>
    From Rangers figures the high income totals come from the sale of a major first team player, in the cases of the totals for Rangers (Barry Ferguson, Carlos Cuellar and Alan Hutton). The similar can be said of Sporting Lisbon and Benfica, where in some cases the totals include selling more than one of their prized assets ( Benfica in season 10/11 sold David Luiz, Angel Di Maria and Ramires and also 07/08, Simao and Manuel Fernandes). <o:p></o:p>
    Porto have done similar with their transfers must noteably Falcao and Ruben Maciel this very season, Sporting Lisbon maybe a better judgement marker for Celtic and Rangers for that matter (Nani 07/08, Quaresma and Cristiano Ronaldo in 03/04 and Veloso and Moutinho 10/11).<o:p></o:p>
    A side note to Sporting Lisbon dealings are that the majority of transferred players were homegrown players that didn`t involve pre-sale expenditure.<o:p></o:p>
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    <TABLE style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-yfti-tbllook: 1184; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt" class=MsoTableGrid border=1 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 0; mso-yfti-firstrow: yes"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 154pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=205>RANGERS<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>

    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 154.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=205>BENFICA<o:p></o:p>

    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 154.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=205>SPORTING LISBON<o:p></o:p>

    </TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 1"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 154pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=205>EXPENDITURE INCOME<o:p></o:p>

    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 154.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=205>EXPENDITURE INCOME<o:p></o:p>

    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 154.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=205>EXPENDITURE INCOME<o:p></o:p>

    </TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 2"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 154pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=205>1.210.000 03/012.386.000 <o:p></o:p>

    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 154.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=205>880.000 03/04 114.400<o:p></o:p>

    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 154.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=205>6.688.000 03/04 22.308.000 <o:p></o:p>

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    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 154.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=205>4.796.000 04/05 13.552.000<o:p></o:p>

    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 154.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=205>2.860.000 04/05 4.224.000 <o:p></o:p>

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    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 154.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=205>4.972.000 05/06 8.624.000<o:p></o:p>

    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 154.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=205>7.040.000 05/06 6.820.000 <o:p></o:p>

    </TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 5"><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 154pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=205>7.392.000 06/07 4.730.000<o:p></o:p>

    </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; WIDTH: 154.05pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt" vAlign=top width=205>10.296.000 06/07 8.668.000<o:p></o:p>

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  12. Aldobaldo

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    The reality is we have to accept that the days of Sutton even Nakamuras are well gone. Scottish Football is a mess, Hearts cannot pay the full squad monthly wages, the buns are close to financial d-day. We have to spend more than we should to secure the likes of Hooper et al which leaves us little room for several signings.

    As mentioned we cannot afford to make one bad signing, take Juarez deal. Signed a reputable Mexican internationalist to all instances should be a good player but we have to consider every aspect. The player must be able to settle into the countries way of life, which he seemed to struggle with.

    Its not as simple as people seem to think.
     
  13. Sween

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    I think it is the net figure rather than the gross that is the issue. Basically despite losing 3 in a row and going on 4 we are only spending money generated by selling our best players. I think if the board have ideas of european football and growing our team then they just have to dip into their pockets a bit. We are assuming fans will continue to support the club to the financial extents they currently do watching a team win nothing and in decline. Dangerous game as eventually the fans will stop paying when the board isnt showing any signs of paying
     
  14. Funkenblows

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    I agree. i just think that too many fans are blaming the board exclusively, when the manager has not spent what money he has had wisely. We aren't a force in Europe anymore. We have to accept that for now. However, my argument is that with the money we HAVE spent, we are a very, very big fish in a small pond. We have spent enough to not currebtly lie in 3rd in the league, 10 points off the top. Motherwell, for example, have spent essentially nothing at all- gross- over the last 3 seasons while we spent over £21m gross.
     
  15. The The Hand

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    Mate, Rennes are one of the best teams in Ligue 1, which is one of the richest leagues in world football.

    We play in the SPL, a tiny wee league in a small country with irksome weather.

    There is no way we should be expecting to beat them on their home patch.

    The fact we were Champions of Europe almost 50 years ago has very little bearing on our prospects in 2011, because football has changed out of all recognition since then.
     
  16. The The Hand

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    Eh???

    I hope you never have to run a household. :56:

    You're effectively saying that unles you spend more than you earn, you\re not really spending?
     
  17. PARKHEAD67

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    If results go right tomorrow were back in the game.We'll beat aberdeen silly.Ive no doubt of that.I reckon that Rennes game is our turning point.Now, will the mini huns beat their big sisters?
     
  18. Sween

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    I wouldnt disagree buddy.

    But I just see it in the bigger picture. Lennon was a rookie manager who was given the job because he was the absolute cheapest option that the fans would not reject. If we get rid of Lennon or he walks, the board will only replace him with another non-proven boss who is either an ex-player, or some random from the bottom half of the championship. And they will have to spend a year or two clearing out all the cheap players we currently have and replacing them with freebies of their own. I dont think we would be better off than we are now because while the manager may change, the board will remain.

    Also, I am almost 100% sure that we will not finish below Motherwell by the end of the season so I dont think a comparison to Motherwell applies at the current time. There is a long way to go. Newcastle are currently above Liverpool and Tottenham in the EPL, and Norwich are above Arsenal, but this will change over the season. This isnt a defence of our recent failings, but things can change very quickly and if we close the gap today and win our game in hand, it starts to look a whole lot more promising.
     
  19. Soul Rebel

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    The way i'm seeing it is we either stick with Lennon for this season; show him a little bit of loyalty in return for his or bring in another rookie manager or someone who is experienced probably in Npower League 2 football. At the end of the day we cannot afford players or staff at the quality our club deserves, so I would rather stay loyal to someone for a little bit longer who actually loves this club and will do everything in his power to turn it around and hopefully with his passion and enthusiasm stir the lads up as well and get them playing again because we know from last season they can do it.
    It's a fact we aren't playing well enough at the moment, but about 15 games ago we were calling Lennon a legend. "We are Neil Lennon," etc.
    If I thought there was a manager out there, that much better than Lennon that would actually want to manage our club after everything that has happened these past 12 months then I too would be calling for Lennon's head but the fact is, there isn't one manager of any proven quality that would want this job right now.
    A few managers that I have heard people mention before:
    David Moyes - one money strapped club in the English Premier League to another money strapped club in the Scottish Premier League...not gonna happen.
    Owen Coyle - Maybe come the end of the season if he's got Bolton relegated he might consider it but not now.
    Paul Lambert - Definitely not, got it way too good at Norwich and fair play to him.
    Henrik Larsson - Maybe take the job but essentially a rookie and would he risk his legend status by taking over at a time where Scottish football is falling to pieces?