GUILTY! (Suarez)

To be quite honest I can't find a reliable source anywhere on the internet stating that Suarez did indeed admit to calling Evra a negrito so I have no idea where people on here are getting the idea that he admited to it ???

It's actually pretty hunnish when you think about it I.E. the whole big jock knew thing.

 

if john terry used the word 'nigro' instead of 'black' against ferdinand it still would be deemed racist since they have the same definition but because suarez is from uruguay then its ok for him to insult someone using that word ?
Hes been playing in europe for 6 or 7 years now and would know dam well that racism is a problem over here and what words would be deemed offensive in certain context.
I doubt hes racist but it was still an incredibly stupid thing to say from an experienced player and if it was a celtic player who was in evras position the people who are saying that suarez done nothing wrong would be up in arms about it.

 

If you mean "negro" it may have the same definition but not the same connotation. And it is the connotation in words which makes a word racist or inappropriate in general in most cases. Im also pretty sure he wouldnt know what "negrito" meant as it isnt an English word. As I said earlier rolling stones have a song called "hey negrita":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3QFOXPReec

Should they be charged with using racist language as well? Mick Jagger - a white englishman - is allowed to call a song "Hey Negrita" but a south American footballer (who is part black himself!) is a racist if he uses the same term!

Madness

 

Decent but this is the truth .

 

And again im not calling him a racist as i dont think he is but he did make an error of judgement imo.

 

Agree here is what i said a good few pages back.


My take on this Suarez isn't accused of being a racist; he's accused of making a racial remark. Big difference hence why he was banned.

 

he admitted using a word dats offensive in europe but still didnt apologise he used the word at least 10 times during the game why keep saying it after seeing how * off evra was after first time

 

The sad * voted for Suarez 2011 skysports player of the year calling it justice for him

Suarez has scored 9 in 2011 - van Persie has scored 34.

Joke of a club and support .

 

Considering he just moved in the summer it wouldn't be hard, plus he's better than Van Persie however this is for another thread.

Like I said a few posts ago I would love for someone to provide me with a reliable link to show me when he admitted saying it ? So far people on here are just going by hearsay and I stand by what I said that this is something the huns would do.

 

Suarez joined in January, so he's been at Liverpool for the full year now.

And better than Van Persie?! Seriously?

 

I am not a Liverpool fan, and to be honest any player who bites a fellow professional is more than likely a bit of a scumbag. But leaving personal sentiment aside, an 8 game ban for using a foreign word only deemed "racist" in an English context last week is just a bit daft. It is a word that is not considered racist in countries who speak Spanish. It is a word that has been used by the Rolling Stones in "Hey Negrita" - is this now a racist song? Apparently that was Jaggers pet name for his wife at the time (who was latina). There is also an English blues band of the same name. I take it they are to be banned?

People are getting their knickers in a twist about very little in my opinion. I think this has been made an issue solely because the English FA were quick to condemn Blatter for his comments and now have to be seen to clamping down on anything that anyone complains about as being racist.

 

Pmsl fair enough I got the dates mixed up, but he's still better than Van Persie in both the EPL and the WC

 

Van persie is much better than Suarez no contest really.

 

they beat uniteds support everyday of the week

 

I don’t know much about South American culture and slang. I do know, however, a little about the mechanics of confrontation. Even at Sunday League level, I’ve had verbal spats and faced down opposition players from Everton Valley to East Los Angeles. As a fan, I’ve exchanged insults — and worse — with rival supporters from Trafford Park to the Tiber.

That’s just the football-related stuff. In real life, I’ve been in the middle of riots, squared up to police on picket lines and fought fascist bully-boys with bare knuckles.

What have I learnt? Not much, but enough to know that if I’m having a row with a black man and I make a reference to his colour, he’s going to think it’s a racist slur.

Luis Suárez, Liverpool Football Club and legions of their fans seem bewildered that the word negrito directed at a black man in the course of an argument would lead the individual concerned to assume that he had been racially abused.

Nobody would deny that the exchange between Suárez and Patrice Evra was acrimonious. Nobody would deny that the word negrito makes reference to blackness. So where are Suárez’s grounds for defence?

Well, the linguistic experts tell us that negrito is not a pejorative term. In fact, it appears that it is a friendly phrase in Hispanic culture. In one defence of the Liverpool striker, the writer talked of hearing a young, white woman with a dark complexion being referred to by the same term during a business transaction in Buenos Aires.

The problem with this is that Evra is not a young white woman, nor is he Hispanic. He is a short, black Frenchman, who, from his perspective, appears to have been called something akin to “little black boy” by someone he was having a row with. Suárez, quite clearly, was not being genial. He was winding up Evra on the pitch in the heat of a Liverpool v Manchester United game. No wonder the defender felt racially abused.

In September, a mere handful of Liverpool fans would have even heard the term negrito. Now they are experts in the semantics of Hispanic slang, describing in detail how it is a term of affection. Well, if Suárez was being affectionate to a United player during a game, the club should crack down on him. An eight-game ban? Surely that should be a sackable offence?

There are so many words in English, French and Spanish that can be used in a quarrel that referencing colour in any way seems at best ill-advised and at worst racist. Either way it’s * stupid.

Suárez may not have had any racist intent but the Hispanic subtleties were lost on Evra. They’d be lost on most in Britain.

So this unedifying spat continues with Liverpool supporters — almost to a man — behind Suárez.

It is embarrassing. Is it not possible for Liverpool fans to have some empathy with Evra? To see that he felt racially abused? Seemingly not in the pathetically tribal world of football, where basic decencies are thrown out the window and the “my club right or wrong” ethic prevails.

If it were all a cultural misunderstanding, why didn’t Liverpool nip it in the bud in October? It may be me, but once the word negrito cropped up I winced. I may be culturally naive, but it sounded ugly. It would sound worse to a black man.

The club should have put out a statement that read something like this: “Patrice Evra has alleged that Luis Suárez made racist remarks to him during the game at Anfield. Suárez denies this emphatically but has come to realise that it was easy for Evra to misunderstand the nuances of the Spanish phrase used and believe that he had been racially abused. Suárez would like to apologise unreservedly for any upset caused and make clear that he is against racism and discrimination in all its forms. It was a poor choice of words in the context but any student of South American culture will explain it has no racial overtones. In future, Liverpool Football Club will issue its players with a set of guidelines as to what is acceptable and not acceptable.”

Effectively, just say sorry, I didn’t mean that, I feel a bit stupid now.

Suárez is not a racist but he has been a fool. The trick is not to compound foolishness.

Instead, Liverpool put out a statement that threw the blame back at Evra, then gave us the risible sight of Suárez warming up at the DW Stadium before the Wigan Athletic match in a T-shirt supporting himself.

Pointing the finger at Evra is shameful. It can only harden the FA’s determination to make its point. And despite the more rabid conspiracy theorists, this is a battle that the FA would rather not have.

This situation — along with the John Terry/Anton Ferdinand incident — has brought the game into disrepute and exposed racial fault lines in football and society that most thought had been buried forever. One look at the abuse that Stan Collymore — a former Liverpool forward — has been receiving shows that. Sadly, it looks like decency has been buried instead.


Hats off to Tony Evans must have been hard to do this with being a massive Liverpool fan.

 

I think he's missed the point, he was being patronising. Not racist.

 

I think he was being both.

 

Suarez is actually mixed race and I think at least 1/4 black african. Would it be so much of an issue if he looked a bit darker than he does? Rightly or wrongly, I am guessing not.