Green Brigade

No its not

People who think it is need to go and pick up a dictionary and look up "sectarianism" Irish patriot songs and folk songs certainly won't be the definition.

 

boys of the old brigade isnt sectarian but it shouldnt be sung because it mentions the IRA a terrorist organisation which is wrong

singing a song about al quaeda would be wrong, but it wouldnt be sectarian

If i had it my way the IRA wouldnt be a terrorist organisation so therefore it would be alrite to sing about just like the huns sing rule britannia

 

If you think the IRA are a terrorist organisation why have you got vol Bobby Sands name in your sig ?



Seriously though, the huns sing the sash and Derrys walls, the media say * all, just only mention IRA songs. They even kept quiet about the * the sung about Jock Stein.

Make no mistake, points will not be deducted for any songs we sing, for the simple reason they are not sectarian. The SFA have chosen to ignore the famine song ffs, which UEFA have publicly said is indeed racist.

 

Your an absolute tard, read my post carefully

I said if i had it my way the IRA WOULDNT be classed as a terrorist organisation

but it is classed as one, which is why its not allowed to be sung

 

The point was about singing BOTOB which is a song about the easter rising, they are not classed as a terrorist organisation. Nice one with the name calling though, you obviously can't debate properly.

 

I suppose the bigger question here is why are we singing Irelands national anthem.......I appreciate that there's an afinity between our nations and indeed the origins of CFC in that we have a lot of shared heritage but I don't think I have ever heard us singing flower of scotland at Parkhead. To be honest I'm not sure that it would be appropriate as we go to support CFC

As someone said on the radio earlier tonight.... the SFA, UEFA and everyone else can say what they like but until they make these songs actually illegal there's very little that the Police, Courts, clubs or anyone else can do. To be honest I hate listening to songs such as "Up the Ra" and the famine song alike but that's my own personal perspective on it.

 

We definitely need clarification.

 

I'd like to know why some people are assuming that it's the IRA who are wrong.
The Provos have done a lot of things we don't condone, but these songs are about the OFFICIAL IRA of the early 20th century. When the English teams come to Scotland (Or Ireland for that matter) their fans sing lots of historical songs about good old England and how brave their young soldiers were throughout history. Do the same people who condemn the singing of Irish historical songs condemn the English for singing their songs?

I happen to think that singing songs about men who used guns and cannons against people who had only spears to defend themselves is very offensive. Singing songs about soldiers who went drove tanks and troops into Croke Park in 1920 killing 14 people because they objected to the British illigally occupying their country offensive.

The Soldiers Song and Boys of the old brigade ARE NOT IRA SONGS.
The sooner some people on here understand that the better.

They are songs identifying the strong and brave men who helped make Ireland what it is and what it will become.

We sing Flower of Scotland at international matches and no one bats an eyelid. That song is about the strong men who helped make Scotland what it is and what it will become. It's about kicking the English arses.
But because our predominantly protestant leaders and pressmen are proud of that they deem it okay to sing it.
Yet when Celtic supporters sing songs of the same ilk about the country that they identify as the place of their ancestors we are pilloried, even by sections of our own support.

I don't like to hear Provo songs at the games. I don't complain about it though because they did a lot less senseless acts than the British did. Doesn't make what they did right though.

As far as not wanting children to hear the songs at the games, this argument has no balls at all.

People say '*, *, *..etc' at games all the time. I don't particularly want my kids to hear those words so I don't take them to games. Simple. It's a * football ground ffs. Mostly men go. That's the way it is and always has been.
I went to an English game once in Leeds and heard enough racist abuse dished out with the obligatory swearing to last me a 100 years. I hate that * so I try and block it out. This was sung by * who support a team full of black players.
Let the people sing and ffs try and get past the fact that the IRA will be mentioned in some songs. That's part of Ireland's history the same as the Black & Tans are part of Scotland's and Britain's.

 

I dont disagree with any of that Henke.
Ive sang war songs at away games and the jungle in the not too distant past, and I dont regret it either, I still like to play guitar and sing certain songs, But now I just dont see the relevance of BOTOB or The Soldier Song at games.
My opinion is that the media love it because it makes us look the same as that mob.
If we want to start to lose the Old Firm tag then we need to distance ourselves from the songs that make outsiders perceive that we are singing songs of hate.
A list of unacceptable songs is a starting point.

 

Henke67

That is probably the best post i have ever read

 

That's * spot on.

 

These are not sectarian songs though. UEFA have investigated these songs and found nothing to complain about.
If you say they have nothing to do with football, then neither has YNWA, Athenry and if you look at the English clubs then Land of hope and glory, Rule Britannia and the likes have nothing to do with football.
Chelsea dagger has nothing to do with football yet it's played over the tannoy after every home Celtic goal.

Who says songs have to be about football anyway?

Football is over 125 years old and supporters have sung other than football songs for all that time.
Most of the football songs come from other songs and are adapted along the way to theam you follow.

The fact is that it's Celtic's songs that seem to be the trouble. We are trying to be whiter than white and why? Because we don't want other people pointing the finger. We condemn what they sing at Ibrox because they are songs of hate. Our's are not. There is a difference. I have no objection tho the scum singing the sash or Derry's walls but most of their songs are hate filled * about hunger strikers dying or songs against our religous leader or the fact that their was a great hunger (Not a famine) in Ireland in the 1840s. We used to sing FTQ in retaliation but most Celtic supporters are above that now.
It's the Old Firm thing again. Because the Muppets have been warned about some of the songs they sing eyes automatically glance across the city to see what 'the other half' are doing.
This doesn't happen in Manchester, Liverpool, Sheffield, Bristol, Nottingham, Stoke on Trent, Dundee, Edinburgh, Birmingham or London. It happens in Glasgow because both teams have a history which has a connection to the previous rebellions and wars in Ireland like it or not.

To deny us the right to sing BOTOB & Soldiers song is to deny our roots.
I'm not saying we should be singing provo songs, but the IRA were there fighting shoulder to shoulder with rifles and grenades in the 1920 and those heroes don't deserve to be disrespected because someone who was on the other side of the fence doesn't approve of them.
The ignorance of what is and what isn't a sectarian song is as amazing as the ignorance of what is and what isn't a rebel song.
Do you think the French will stop singing anti German occupation songs because a few people from Auvergne don't like them?

Let the people sing.

 

balaclava bhoy and henke67, i agree with every word you have said.

 

We are all in agreement here.......no-one in this thread has said the songs are sectarian,
UEFA has said the songs are Political, not Sectarian.

That is not the question......

From the original post....

 

No. :shakehead:

 

Hoorah !

An on-topic answer ! :icon_mrgreen:

 

In all fairness I was answering this post:

Originally Posted by rd-67-
Is boys of the old brigade classed as sectarian? In order for it to be sectarian it has to be religious or political for a start which it isnt.

However it is pro-IRA which is "wrong"

In the eyes of Britain its basically like singing about AL Quaeda

and the fact that because it is an IRA song it doesn't mean it's wrong.

 

No worries Henke, my last post wasnt meant to be serious anyway.

It just bugs me that there almost seems to be an agenda in the Scottish Media to discredit us and bring us down to Rangers level.
Thats why i posed the question about the Green Brigade's choice of songs giving the media ammunition to use against us.

 

the boys of the old brigade was always one of my favourite tunes at parkhead, its a shame people are trying to equate it with sectarianism, likewise with the soldier song. celebrating irishness isn't sectarian

 

I am a member of the Green Brigade website and I know what they are trying to achieve and what they are trying to protect.
GB have a voice and they will use it to further the supporters' cause and to promote all that is good about Celtic and the connection with Ireland.
Songs are songs and they will be sung, but GB are not a voice for the pro IRA and do not promote the singing of sectarian songs. Like I said before, these songs like BOTOB are historical songs sang in the tradition of the storyteller. They are passed down from father to son to grandson and that's what keeps the memories of the fallen alive.
Yes the media do have an agenda and that is something else we have to rise above.