Gordon Strachan's Management (6 Mergered)

Supermike - Thanks mate, will try!

Ellboy - You are, of course, right it is not fair to compare our players to those of CVhelsea or Arsenal considering the difference in resources. I didn't mean for the post to seem this way, I was actually trying to highlight that, if we want to play in a similar way to Chelsea or Arsenal, or any team for that matter, we need to have players with similar attributes. So to play like Chelsea we would need a dominant centre back, a proper holding midfielder, a midfielder who gets goals, a powerful target man or to play like Aresenal we need athletic full backs, etc. I dont expect to get top level players, as Londonbhoy points out, we are in a less attractive league, but I do expect us to be able to source players with the attributes required to play whatever system and style the manager chooses. At present, we dont - and that is what is costing us!

 

Spidey100 You are pretty new to this forum however already I can see you are on a similar wave to many including myself. It is such a relevant point that if you want to play a certain brand of football as you mention in your posts. The kind of which WGS has been promising now for a long time then you either need to buy players with the ability to achieve this vision or coach them to achieve a level somewhere close to it. Unfortunately it is evident that the current playing staff or the coaching staff are unable to deliver a brand of football that has been promised for so long now.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
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I really have struggled to identify if it is the players that are not good enough to produce or it is the coaching staff who are not able to carry out the plan of delivering a quality coherent and balanced team. I say this because most of our players have started brightly and then faded alarmingly under WGS´s stewardship for examples Naylor, Mick, JVH, Naka, Gravesen, Majic indeed if you go through most of the players signed or inherited you will see a trend of players losing form and in some cases never rediscovering it. This has to be down to man management or motivational issues.<o></o>
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I have said many times on here that we are not using our players in the correct manner and because of this it is difficult to assess their true capabilities. It has been obvious that WGS will not deviate from playing 4-4-2. Ok this is his preferred option, so then why buy players who have never played this way before. Donati, Gravesen, Brown, JJ, Hartley and even Robson have all played in a three man midfield most of their careers and have not been comfortable switching to his preferred 4-4-2 formation. These guys past and present may very well be able to produce the type of football you mention and the type of football WGS wants. However it is very difficult to know their true capabilities. There are many more instances were players are and have been used wrongly and this to me is the major downfall towards our current problems. <o></o>
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Until the players are used correctly we can never know for sure if they are not good enough although it just could be that they may very well not be up to the job at all. A few things that are for sure IMO are that we need better coaching stronger defenders, more composure, better passing and an injection of pace all things you correctly identify of which we are woefully short of.<o></o>
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a lot of good posts in this thread ,my view is quite simply,the players do not understand what they are doing ,this stems from the manager he doesnt seem to get the players to do what they are suposed to, its alien to them and its blattenly obvios to see, sometimes its like watching chickens runnig about way no heads ,i believe there are not as bad a squad as we think ,theres a lot of good young and talented players there ,but with no direction ,neil lennon will work his socks off for celtic and we might start to see an improvement in the midfield area ,and he will give confidence to others ,i have had time to think why they signed lennom so late in the season ,i do think now gs has lost the dressing room and thats why lennon is in there ,to get these players motivated ,something that the manager should be doing ,gs has had his shot with celtic and has a good cv from his time at celtic ,but i would be looking elsewere for another manager ,he has taken us as far as he can ,

 

Ellboy, I agree with what you have said completely. The midfielders you mentioned have not performed, partly as you say cos they are not used to playing in a 4-4-2. I think alot of the problem also lies in the constant changing their game. JJ was a decent midfield, from the reserve games I saw on Celtic TV he looked like a c lever midfielder, head and shouldders above everyone else at that level, but we played him up front, or as a second striker. Eventually he found form playing on the left, then we dropped him! Hartley was a goalscoring midfielder for Hearts, we have turned him into a defensive midfielder, Robson scored around a dozen goals playing left midfield, we play him in the centre or on the right! Riordon was bought as a striker, we play him left midfield! Its crazy!
Majic I think suffered from Hartson's departure - he played well in his first season beside Hartson, but in the absence of a strong targetman, he suffered, eventually being frozen out completely.
Coaching, as you say, appears haphazard at best! We have consistently struggled at the back, yet no work appears to be done on rectifying this! Eventually, SDtrachan brought Balde in, we get a couple of clean sheets with him in the side, he goes to the African Nations cup, and doesnt get a look in again! Even though we are still poor at the back! Naylor? Oh my *! 2 years now we have not had cover for him and 2 years he has been poor! Is he being coached to improve? I doubt it, if anything I think the coaching has made him scared to cross the halfway line!
I may be wrong, but it appears that Strachan either coaches the skill out of players, or he isolates/annoys them so that they no longer perform!

 

These two posts Kennydal & Spidey 100 are pretty much spot on in my view.<?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><v:shapetype id=_x0000_t75 stroked="f" filled="f" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" oreferrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"> <v:stroke joinstyle="miter"></v:stroke><v:formulas><v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"></v:f></v:formulas><vath o:connecttype="rect" gradientshapeok="t" o:extrusionok="f"></vath><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o:lock aspectratio="t" v:ext="edit"></o:lock></v:shapetype><v:shape id=_x0000_i1025 style="WIDTH: 18.75pt; HEIGHT: 13.5pt" alt="0" type="#_x0000_t75"><v:imagedata o:href="http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/images/smilies/50.gif" src="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\User\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape>
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It seems that the majority of fans can see glaring problems with the side. In my view if we can see formation problems incorrect tactics and players not being utilised properly as layman. Then why in your opinion can the manager not see these problems also.<o></o>
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I can understand it if there were subtle tactics that we as fans are unable to identify due to our lack of top level coaching knowledge. However you would expect the subtleties to be effective in terms of results in the long run. This is just not the case for instance the rangers game just gone we had control of that game for 30 or so minutes until smith made a subtle change and dropped his midfield back a couple of yards so as to nullify our winning of the second ball. It was a subtle tactical change that basically ended our game plan. As a non tactically aware football guy I could see this but our manager seemed not to as what did he do to combat this. The answer was nothing as far as I could visibly see. Apart from taking off a six foot striker for a 5 foot something Skippy this was the only change he made the pattern never changed we still played the long ball but only this time towards Skippy who had little chance of competing in the same way as Samaras did. No logic to it in my view perhaps as a non professional of the football world I was missing something subtle.<o></o>
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Why don`t you type that in the strachan thread instead of wasting another one on the exact same subject?

 

here we go again, just face the guy is manager deal with it for now

 

gs weres blinkers ellboy ,thats my answer and i dont think its far away from the truth ,its his way or no way ,he allways plays 4-4-2 and very rarely does he drift from that formation ,now im not being funny here ,but maybe thats all he knows or he doesnt trust his defence enough to go 4-3-3 ,when watching celtic you actually see were there going with a move before it happens ,so im inclined to think the other manager will see it aswell ,celtic are to obvious in there play and all the other spl teams have caught on ,if gs changed the format for the next game the other manager would be scratching his head wondering how to play celtic,but sadly thats what lets gs down he cannot change a game , hes not tactical aware ,and your right about walter smith ,he changed rangers just by a very easy tactical change ,moving players back a couple of yards to stop celtic getting knock downs etc ,gs could have easily done the same by moving his players on ,but it never happened, ive said before i was all for gs ,but now the first sign of pressure and he cannot compete with a bad rangers team ,so time up gs ,and let celtic get back to play football

 

I think you are right and your answer is not far away from the truth. However if the bit I highlighted was true would you not think he would try and protect them a bit more by sticking a DM player in front of them. From his comments today it seems he feels all is fine and dandy in terms of the defence.<?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><v:shapetype id=_x0000_t75 stroked="f" filled="f" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" oreferrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"> <v:stroke joinstyle="miter"></v:stroke><v:formulas><v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"></v:f></v:formulas><vath o:connecttype="rect" gradientshapeok="t" o:extrusionok="f"></vath><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o:lock aspectratio="t" v:ext="edit"></o:lock></v:shapetype><v:shape id=_x0000_i1025 style="WIDTH: 18.75pt; HEIGHT: 15pt" alt="0" type="#_x0000_t75"><v:imagedata o:href="http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/images/smilies/31.gif" src="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\User\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape><o></o>

 

If we were to hammer the Huns in the next 2 OF games...

Would you still want to see the back of Strachan?

Just a thought.

 

I would yes. Even if we retained the title I would still want him to leave. It's time for a change IMO.

 

yes

 

It's time for a change? Three titles in three seasons and you'd want him out?

It's a rare occasion when Celtic fans actually embarrass me...

 

look nugget we are entitlted to our opinion. fact is the wee ginger * head is so far up jans * its unbelievable

 

yep i agree his head is very far up his own posterior

 

You ask the question at the start and say 'just a thought' ...then people say yes and you are 'embarrassed by fellow supporters ' ,why didnt you just spit out what you wanted to say in the initial post ?

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Merged with the rest , thats another 2 iv added to this pile today , will everybody just keep them in here and stop making new ones

 

Did ayone see the daily huddle tonight what the * was he going on about all these stats he comes out with the only stat im bothered about is that we are rotten

 

Aye '' 6.4.....6.2 SHOTS IN 7 GAMES.." He's going on about stats and passing percentages aswell , was quite ridiculous watching it

on a side note did you see the Mcdonald interview ? he must have said 'ye know' about 40+ times , was funny , need to get timpark to maybe upload it

 

What about that presenter he is awful worst i have ever seen. The classic Celtic Motherwell game Bratbakk looked great should resign him and also Fergus Mcann with the gangster hat on what a *