Gordon Strachan's Management (6 Mergered)

Its a sport he knows nothing about, knows none of the players and he'd hardly go spastic with the tv camera there

 

Is that post a joke mate or was the TV programme a spoof.

 

No, the program is real but the influence from the celebrity banisteoir is minimial. The real manager is there but what he does is editted

 

Cheers dempsey I genuinely had no clue what that was about.
Still means * nothing about Strachan being the Celtic manger though.

 

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he's done it again... :icon_mrgreen:


still the best ever play for celtic

 

weird post m8, but i like it :icon_mrgreen:

 

a different view on Strachans management

Just throwin somethin out there I tohught of on the way home from work tonight...

Is WGS's success in winning back-to-back titles a direct reuslt of his quality as a manager and his skills in preparing the celtic team to win games or was it more that the gers were in rebuilding mode after Mcleish and had a disasterous time under Paul Le Guen and so with a steady hand and a seasoned mind directing the ship, celtic cruised to the title and could've done so with anyone in control?

Is one clubs dark days the other clubs happy days?

Has WGS been found out?

just a thought......

 

A few things are holding us back. Firstly, having read Strachan's authobiography, the key factor is that we dont have sufficient quality of player to match Strachan's vision of how he wants to play. He talks of his admiration for Mourinho's Chelsea team, and how he considers that to be attractive football, but the difference between the two teams is enormous! Other than the obvious difference in systems (I will get onto that in a bit), Mourinho's team worked because the key players were quality: Cech in goal; Terry as dominating centre back; Carvalho beside him, good on the ground, strong in the tackle, good distribution; Makalele in the holding role, calm, assured, reads the game well; Lampard breaking from midfield - 20(!) goals a season; and a big target man in Drogba.

Our versions: Boruc in goal (ok a good start); McManus as dominating centre back (errm); Caldwell beside him (no comment); For our Makelel we had Lennon (when we won two league titles) then lost him and havent replaced him properly; Not one of our midfielders compares to Lampard (who is not that great a player but grafts and gets goals) at least not in terms of goals; and JVOH as compared to Drogba? The less said about that the better! So we dont have sufficient quality to mirror the way Chelsea play!

Alongside this, Strachan has tried to emulate some of Aresnal's style and mix it to the Chelsea style, hence the 4-4-2 instead of Chelsea's 4-3-3/4-5-1. Wenger, like Strachan, favours wiode midfielders who cut in and overlapping full backs. They have centre backs who are comfortable on the ball, and a midfield who are fluid and pass the ball well. They play possession football, though in a different way from Chelsea. Again, the standard of players lets us down. They have Sagna and Clichy steaming forward from full back, allowing Rosicky and Hleb to cut inside. Sagna & Clichy have the stamina, pace, strength and quality to get forward consistently. Rosicky and Hleb shoot as often as possible and get in the box regular, exposing the gaps created by the forward's movement. We have Naka and Aiden who are rarely in the box, aiden does most of his running from the half way line, so is knackered or doubled up on by the time he gets near the box. As for movement from the strikers....I give you the statuesque JVOH! We have Naylor, who is allergic to overlapping it seems, and Hinkel who does his best but rarely has any support. Our unsettled midfield means we have no penetration coming from that area - when was the last time one of our central midfielders scored?
So we end up in a sort of half way house between the Arsenal system and the Chelsea system! We end up playing possession football but have no cutting edge! We have Caldwell punting the ball at JVOH and either he is off the mark or JVOH does not have the strength or touch to bring the ball under control or there is no one to flick it on to. Or we pass the ball around for a bit, then we resort to the punt option or it breaks down and our central midfielders are out of the game (either out of position or dont track back)!
In short, it is the lack of a clear way to play (either controlled possesion and grinding results out like Chelsea or passing and moving to create space like Arsenal) and having players who do not have the skill, talent, strength or know how to play in the manner Strachan prefers! This is partly Strachan's fault as he has bought most of the players.

Oh, and we lack pace in all areas - no pace up front, slow on the counter attack, no pace or aggression in midfield, no pace to cover at the back)!

 

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Mick and Caldwell on paper should compliment one another a dominant CB in Mick and a ball playing CB in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1lace w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Caldwell</st1:City></st1lace>. However they just don’t mix. Yes like most I think <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Caldwell</st1lace></st1:City> is not good enough but as a partnership they are worse collectively than individually.<o></o>
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Brown and Donati as a midfield partnership also on paper should be decent with Brown the energy and combative midfielder with Donati technically sound and the playmaker. However again they both have had long enough to form a partnership and it is obvious they don’t compliment each other out on the park.<o></o>
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JVOH and Skippy like the other partnerships on paper they should click. Despite the goals they have scored which has been impressive till recently, they have rarely looked to be on the same wave length. Link up play is too sporadic and has not been good enough over the period. Perhaps it is just down to both of them not being good enough footballers. One of them we could stand as not being technically good. Maybe with JVOH´s stature it could be accepted that he would not be such a good footballer. However if so Skippy would need to be, the more creative of the two. However the truth is neither are creative enough as they are both first and foremost poachers.<o></o>
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If you look at it this way it is obvious the spine of the team is not functioning properly and this to me is one of the main reasons why the team has not been performing well for most of the season.

P.S. Spidey 100
I agree with most of your post however it is unfair to compare our players to the level you are doing. Especially in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Chelsea</st1lace></st1:City>’s case who´s players have cost millions of pounds more. However from reading your points it is not too much to expect to see a balanced unit who can pass the ball to each other and produce a level of movement befitting any decent Celtic side. I mean even a team like Dundee Utd have a team capable of playing some decent football perhaps not consistently but at least they seem to have an understanding of one another’s game and play as a team. Were as we play as individuals we have a lack of spine a lack of quality a lack of movement a lack of real pace and in my view we are not playing the correct formation to get the best out of our players abilities. To many things wrong to change overnight a new outlook needs to be brought weather that’s from the current set up(of which I would doubt very much) or a new regime altogether.<o></o>
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Peter Maguire's latest piece and it's no bad for him

GORDON STRACHAN is in the last chance saloon as Celtic manager and failure to win against Motherwell on Sunday and another Old Firm defeat next Wednesday will seal his fate.
I am not buying into all this claptrap that he won't be sacked - he will.
The club can dress it up any way they want - mutual consent, Gordon wants to pursue other ambitions - you name it they'll think of it, but the gun is loaded and ready.
The decision will be made by Dermot Desmond when he feels the calls from Celtic fans for his departure have become deafening.
The threat of withdrawing their financial support will prompt the Irish millionaire to number-crunch his appointment right out the door.
Gordon will never win a popularity contest as a manager, but let me tell you straight, the sensible Celtic fans who know their football are not turning against him because he can be rude, flippant, and smart-mouthed in press conferences.
They don't care if he's Irish, or a Catholic, or has 10 years of history behind him wearing the green and white Hoops.

The Celtic manager is running out of time with the supporters because his team has gone backwards in terms of entertainment and results.
I like Gordon and I viewed his appointment at Celtic Park as a good one by the principal shareholder.
Martin O'Neill was always going to be a tough act to follow, but after the nightmare of Bratislava, Strachan's side started playing better football than the blessed Martin's did during his final season.
The reasons for his side's failure this season have been well documented by me in this column. Sadly, the players I have been critical of have contributed nothing over the last few weeks to suggest they are capable of raising the standard.
I've listened to Georgios Samaras, Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink and countless others all bleating on about how they can win 12, 11, no 10, oops nine, wait a minute, eight games on the trot to win the league.
We've even had the king of the one liners, Gary Caldwell, telling us that "Celtic are a better team than Rangers" before Walter Smith's battlers once again defeated them at Ibrox.
This is a results-driven business and I am gobsmacked that some pundits are suggesting Strachan deserves another season because of two titles and two last 16 appearances in the Champions League in the last 24 months.

Did Jock Stein or Davie Hay get the same stay of execution for their previous endeavours?
You cannot get away from the facts, which highlight very few of Gordon's signings have been successful. The majority have been failures.
The decisions he makes not to play some players he has bought and to stick with others that don't deserve a start has mystified and angered many. The most damming evidence, however, is a Celtic side that finds itself behind one of the poorest Rangers teams in a long time.
If Gordon is still here next season then it will be because his team of underachievers have turned things around or won both Old Firm games in our small fishbowl of a league.
There could be one other saving grace. Gordon's record of cutting the wage bill and allowing the board to post good financial results year in year out might trump all other considerations, but that is a dangerous game to play with disgruntled fans.

 

Sniff sniff!

 

I think we're all getting a bit ambitious here boys, all this talk of playing like Arsenal, Chelsea etc..... The fact is we play in a wee league on the outskirts of western europe that very few quality players will ever be attracted to. Champions league football is the only reason a player of any worth would play for us, most of the others are just with us cos they can't get a game in England. Yes, we have had some genuinely world class players, but few and far between if we're honest. Same goes for the huns. We're just stuck in a series of peaks and troughs between us and them and have been for years, if they have a bad run, we win the league and vice versa. I don't know about youse but I'm bored with it. Old firm games and Europe is all that really gets me going nowadays, that's sad but true.

went a bit astray there so to sum up, it dosen't matter what strachan does system wise, the players we attract will never be good enough to put together a truly great team. the best we can hope for is that we have a better team than the huns.

 

Spidey 100 - good post A lot of what you said I agree with. Thats an 100% posting agree-ance record so keep it up :icon_mrgreen:

 

Bollocks mike!
well your lookin for consistancy :bbpd:

 

sorry im late chucking my tuppence worth in here guys but iv gotta go with the doctor here ............strachans lost the dressing room, and he dont give a *, hes there to prove hes boss * all else .......... get him tae * asap

 

Pfffffffft!


I think its about time you started agreeing with ME.. let me go away and think of somethin pro-strachan

 

I've thought of a pro Strachan matter.

He might leave?

 

Its not wether you are pro or anti Strachan, its wether you are being pro-Celtic. In terms of what you think is best to help them achieve more.

 

for me right now, we should have a new man in,or actively looking, as, like so many of you are saying and stating is, totally, one hundred percent correct ,WGS has lost his way, he's lost the dressing room and he's lost the fans who where giving him a chance (myself included) by not listening to us, he can ignore opposing teams ,he can ignore reporters ,he can ignore panellists and even TV PUNDITS. but he cant ignore us. full stop.

we dont suffer fools lightly,

and his handling of the pool of players is shocking, imho the best technically gifted squad we've had in a long time. so why can't he put a good side together, answer , he dont know how to.!!!!
i believe he thinks about his job to much and over complicates things and the players get confused, if that is recurring over the course of a season, the players lose belief in the boss and i think that is exactly what we are watching right now.

BUT, it aint over yet ,if they can perform between now and the end of the season like their lives depend on it, great, he still has to go.
lose the league in embarrassing style and wgs gets a defeat in his first couple of games next season an already untenable position becomes fatal .

all these reasons are why he's failed, and ,should be held resposible for what could be, the worst season for football ever seen by us
and,
all these reasons are why all the empty seats that have been appearing throughout the season should have PL worried at season book renewal time, as i have not seen this lack of enthusiasm for a long time from the celtic support
hail hail

 

The biggest thing for me is that Strachan will not change from his 4-4-2 no matter what. Good game management is often about making the right adjustments during games when things are not going well. Some times that means getting your subs right. But very often that means making tactical adjustments to your shape which Strachan simply will not do. This clearly cost us again on Saturday.

He does seem to have taken the huff and long has refused to play Riordan no matter how badly the other strikers are performing. He won't play Balde even though he is our best defender.

The other big thing for me is the lack of sheer guts and fight in the team. I am fed up hearing about how well we are passing and not getting what we deserve. The team lacks a real leader and dynamic personality on the field and that doesn't help but Strachan doesn't seem to have the ability to inspire and drive the players either himself. Sometimes it's not about pretty play. There are times where you need to just emphasize sheer passion and guts. Top quality teams have a real hunger and fight in them. Under Strachan we have had that in the past with our ability to get late goals but at this point the team seems lost and rudderless.