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glamorizing drugs...

Discussion in 'TalkCeltic Pub' started by CELTBOY, Dec 20, 2007.

Discuss glamorizing drugs... in the TalkCeltic Pub area at TalkCeltic.net.

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  1. Mr Nice

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    PLEASE WATCH GUYS
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    Mr Nice, Dec 20, 2007
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  2. CELTBOY

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    were talkin about drug abuse,not gangs..but i see your point, but i see them as a minority put down,rather than a drug gang, you should read the history of the gropup.
     
    CELTBOY, Dec 20, 2007
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    True maybe, as i wasn't alive back in the 50s i can't really say but i do recall my Gran saying to me that there was far more drunkenness back when she was young (20s/30s?) than there was now. As in folk rolling about in the streets wasted. Also in terms of slipping through the cracks there wasn't really a social services or whatever to look after people, there was just the poorhouse.

    The thing was that the only place you could get hold of heroin was on the NHS so addiction was limited to users that had become addicted overseas in the far East mostly. Making it illegal meant there was a black market for it, enter the drug dealers who also sold softer drugs for the hippies in the 60s, then there was obvious temptation for the dealers to get the people who used softer drugs to use heroin as it was far more lucrative.

    It is very rare that you see an artistic peice on drugs that does not show the negatives as well as the positives ie Scarface, the millions he made and then his demise into addiction and death.
     
    SwoopingVulture, Dec 20, 2007
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    they kill people and take drugs if you are going to take a strong stand you need to lead by example lol off with it i could get you a nice we christmas one
     
    irvy7, Dec 20, 2007
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  5. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    Listen mate, I'm not bothered if someone wants to batter into drugs of any sort, it's their choice. I've commented in drugs posts before on here.

    The sort of drugs that are being quesioned ARE illegal, unless I'm mistaken.

    I think if someone makes a passionate plea on here for something to stop, especially if it is illegal, and has had a tragic effect on them, then I think it should be taken seriously.

    There are certain things which can be kept private, and I know it is the www, but common sense and maturity should prevail.

    I'm sure everyone has personal habits and likings, but some things don't need to be made public if others are finding it offensive.

    And if it is the www and anything goes, why ban people?
     
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    I accept that back 50 years ago the only source of heroin could feasibly be the NHS i.e there was very little coming in to the country. It's different now, a more free flow of trade (transporting the drug) and more travel, increased communications etc meaning that, I think, even if they legalised it now the dealers would still be there and would find other ways to punt their goods.

    I just find what smack does to people so repulsive that I suppose I see legalisation as an admission of defeat.
     
    Martin, Dec 20, 2007
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    I take your point mate and I understood the intention of the original poster.

    BUT I am not a big fan of censorship in any shape or form, especially in this kind of media. The only things I don't want to see here are personal abuse and huns.

    I'm not into drugs at all, but if someone else wants to post about them that's fine.

    And as far as the 'Celtic' brand being involved. Celtic have gone to great lengths to distance themselves from this forum so that argument just doesn't wash.
     
    The Doctor, Dec 20, 2007
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  8. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    Astonishing that a forum, which, whether distanced from the club or not, and attracts people of all ages, including kids, can state that it will allow the promotion of illegal substances, but will not allow people who support a certain football team, or anyone slagging another member.

    Censorship, or the lack of, is fine in any legal form, but for someone, especially a moderator, to say that it is ok to come on here and promote drugs is beyond belief, no matter what the situation is behind it.

    It would have been interesting to see where this had went had it been a "Mon the hoops" type character that was promoting this. I wonder if he would have had the backing of the staff?
     
    Paul67, Dec 20, 2007
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    I did not say 'promote'. Do not put words in my mouth.

    If someone posts about how good drugs are, I would rather see some sensible arguments put forward against them instead of your approach. An approach which has failed completely in the real world and would fail completely online as well.

    We have also had the 'but kids come on here' argument about other stuff especially NSFW stuff, but I'll state once again that we are not responsible for policing peoples children online.
     
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  10. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    What I meant was, people are promoting drugs on here and are being allowed to do so.

    There have been countless threads closed on this forum because either getting out of hand, or because a certain mod might not like it. Fair enough if it is offensive, or plain *.

    There have also been countless threads on drugs, promoting them, highlighting them, whatever you want to call it. Not once has any of them been closed.

    I was told earlier that it was the WWW. and it was ok to promote drugs. If it's the WWW. then anything goes? Of course not, this is a controlled forum, and should be controlled against illegal things which offend certain members.
     
    Paul67, Dec 20, 2007
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    Countless threads on drugs?

    I don't think so. I would also point out that only a tiny percentage of all threads on here are ever closed.

    Listen mate if we banned/closed everything which offended anyone, nothing would get posted.
     
    The Doctor, Dec 20, 2007
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  12. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    Dave, since I joined this forum, there have been numerous videos, and postings (maybe threads was the wrong word) on drugs. Them being bumped seems like more threads.

    I know the percentage of threads that are closed, but the point remains, I have never seen a thread closed because of it's ILLEGAL drug content. You make out it is only discussion, what about the videos promoting, or the detailed pictures.

    I get your point with banning everything that offended, but not everything is illegal.
     
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  13. Mr Nice

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    :31:
    First you were shouting about it because of celtboys loss and how it may offend people and glamorize drugs.
    Now you are shouting about the legality of drugs.
    Yeah they are illegal, but does that mean we can't discuss them?
    Who agrees with their legality?
    Thats another issue as I stated earlier.
    If it offends you that much or you are that law abiding then dont bother looking or posting. Whats the big * deal here anyway?
    Maybe you need some drugs!
     
    Mr Nice, Dec 20, 2007
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    too * right^^^

    its down to the individaul
     
    Liam Scales, Dec 20, 2007
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  15. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    What's the :31: all about? The weed not working?

    I'm not shouting about anything mate. And I'm not saying drugs cannot be discussed.

    What I am saying is simple.

    Drugs are being promoted, not discussed, on here.

    If it offends me don't post or look? It's a public forum, for people to post and look.

    I need some drugs for having the opinion that I do!

    Your a moderator on here mate, act like one.
     
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  16. Mr Nice

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    How are they being promoted?
    I think your way off the mark.
    Because people post what they do doesn't mean its promotion.
     
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  17. Mr Nice

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    Heres a good argument
    please tell me your views on this please
    it really puts what i want to say across
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    Mr Nice, Dec 20, 2007
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  18. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    Mate, come on ffs, you have posted videos for instance which promote drugs, and others have posted things about coke etc. If your denying promotion of certain drugs goes on then there's no point in this.
     
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    No mate its funny vids about drugs, not promotion.
     
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