Getting A Grip

Good post. Feel the same, but I somehow manage to keep the faith, even I don't know how I do it.

 

No disrespect to any posters, but I have seen and heard this all before.

I remember when Gordon Strachan arrived at the club, and we lost to Artmedia - there were people calling for his head after his first * competitive game in charge!!!

Even after he had steered us to the league title - and then to the Champions League knockout phase for the first time in our history - there were still folk swearing blind he had no tactical awareness and would never "cut it" as Celtic manager. They were wrong, and were proved wrong.

Check out some history folks. Look at Alex Ferguson's early days at Man U, in the late 1980s. He didn't cut the mustard at first either - but the board kept faith and gave him the five years he had asked for to reshape the club. He's now been there more than 20 years, and is recognised as one of the top managers in world sport.

Now it may be that Tony Mowbray hasn't got what it takes: that's a possibility. But one thing is for sure - we certainly don't know one way or the other, within three days of him finally getting his own signings in...

And anyone who thinks they do know now - they are the ones deluding themselves.

 

The Hand, spot on as usual mate

Seems we're on the same wave length on alot of topics.

 

I agree totally.
Bringing Keane in is the biggest signing this club has seen since Larsson, I know it is only on loan but surely it shows Mowbray has the ambition to drive this club forward, however if his ambition sadly is not matched by his managerial talent then he should be sacked at the end of this season but give him time, even if it is only until the end of the season, lets get behind him now!!!

 

For the 100th time it was the boards signing.

 

well put. especially the ferguson point the headlines then were[out by easter}

 

Ok, I hadn't read the whole thread.
But if the board are showing the ambition then do you think they are just going to supply a * manager and be happy with the team underacheiving?

 

Common sense, it seems to me, TB - except it's mibbe no' that common...

I wasn't whacking off when we signed Keano on monday, and equally I'm not jumping off a bridge now we've lost to Killie.

If we're all agreed that what we need from our players is strength and consistency, I reckon we should demonstrate that in ourselves.

 

That might make sense if i wasn't paying nearly 400 quid for a season ticket.

Do you go to the games on a regular basis. and fork out That sort of money plus away tickets plus travel expenses and merchandise that is a * of a lot of money mate and tbh i don't have the patience to keep spending it.

I loved going to see celtic and i loved the euphoria of leaving CP on a regular basis wether it be coming from behind late on or a european night or OF game, but since mowbray has come in i have had only one feel good moment watching celtic ONE.

It's all very well and good armchair fans sitting there passing judgement but it's just not viable to keep paying this sort of money to watch this crap on show when you know that the route cause of the problem is this management team and imo all it would take is a change of manager get a scottish manager in who knows how to get the players fighting and scrapping for every point and we'd be back in it this season.

Mowbray has shown a lack of respect for the players and the media and the fans but people are still sticking by him.

The fans you should surely be smart enough to see that there is no way mowbray will change his way of playing and you should see that the style of pretty football isn't working under mowbray and even if it dose get going the players are too easily roughed up and can't hack a physical game of any nature therefore any sort of run we go on won't last long.

 

That's not going to happen with this management team there has been nothing to show that it will come but you go on like itcould happen any game now.

You are not as smart as you think m8 we will see who is right Wish i was wrong but i'm not. we will get nowhere near rangers this season.

 

They need the green light from the fans to sack mowbray. and not all the fans are of that mind set amazingly.

Take john barnes mowbary now has a worst record than him but the fans don't want him sacked.

Basically it's one rule for one manager and another rule for another manager. Because barnes hasn't played for the club he gets less time/pressure than mowbray and strachan won 3 titles and got us into the last 16 of the CL but alot of fans calling for his head at the nearest * up.

 

Frank mate, I'm forced to the conclusion you're deliberately misunderstanding what I'm saying.

The whole core of my point is that I don't know whether TM will cut it as our manager or not, because he hasn't yet been given the chance to prove himself with his own team. So don't tell me I'm "not as smart as I think" - you're the one pretending you know it all already, I'm the one admitting that I don't.

 

How many chances is he going to be given? we could still get back into the league but we can't because the fans are so eager to waste our time money and points with mowbray.

That to me is stupid. I know what your trying to say but it's wrong he shouldn't be given more time just because he used to play for celtic.

 

i have seen teams having bad luck, all teams have it during the season but normally it lasts a couple of months at the most celtics has lasted all season. if you think back the number of games this season that celtics play should have one the game it would have been so much different and that includes the european games. unfortunately i dont know what the problem is but it must change soon.:bbpd:

 

How much you spend shouldn't have an impact on whether you support the manager or not, makes no difference if The Hand goes to the games or not, all he is saying is lets give TM a chance, people have been calling for his head from the very start just because he wasn't their first choice, that's not exactly giving him a chance.

Part of the problem is the fickleness of our fans, one day we have a great team, next day we're crap, we cheer players for a great pass, then get on their backs within the same breath. A few weeks ago the guy who was sitting next to me was giving out about Sammy at the top of his voice, while still giving out Sammy scores and his abuse suddenly turns to oh ah Samaras - it would have been funny if it wasn't so cringe worthy.

I've been disappointed with a lot of the results this season, how couldn't you be, I think TM has made plenty mistakes this season, again fairly obvious, however I agree with The Hand that he could still turn out to be a great manager for us.

He's learned from his mistake with the press and is now noticeably more cautious around them, same with giving out about his players in public, lets see if he learns from his tactical mistakes as well, he might, he might not, we don't know but imo he deserves the chance to prove to us if he can or not.

 

Nobody forces you to go to the games and pay money to support Celtic.

Some of the players Mowbray has brought in haven't even played one game together. If you consider Braafheid hasn't started and other players like Rasmussen have only made sub appearances. I get the feeling you were never going to back Mowbray and give him a chance in the first place. We've been hit with major injury problems - taking this all into account the team hasn't had any time to gel yet. Is it fair to pass judgement on Mowbray so quickly, when the majority of fans on here were shouting for a clear out of the 'deadwood. Now we have new players, you would give Mowbray a chance to get them playing as a team.

 

I couldnt agree more.... He has only just signed the players he wanted and IMO every player he has bought has been an improvement on what we had at this club when he took over. They are all good ball players and all have the ability to perform at a high level. It is going to take time for these players to get used to each other and learn how each other play - FACT -

I do beleive we have been unlucky many times this season in dominating games and not finishing teams off but I blame that on samaras to be honest I do think mowbray made mistakes in the kilmarnock game but he was not helped by injuries to two big players in this team, and I do beleive hooiveld is and will be a massive player for us on and off the park.

Mowbray now just needs to get a set 11 players that he is happy starting everyweek with and stick with them so he can get consistency allowing players to get used to what their roles are in the team. Consistency is key and with 11 players who hardly know each other this is going to take TIME and with consistency comes confidence and when this set of players get confident they will be extremely difficult to cope with IMO

The point about alex ferguson and strachan are perfect examples, you give a manager time to do what he wants you will get the best results an I for one really beleive that this will turn around. We have played some amazing football under mowbray in glimpses over the season but just failed to put easy chances away. I've never seen such a one sided old firm game(At CP) EVER and how we never hammered them i'll never know but it shows what could be possible if this team settles esp with robbie keane in the mix now

He might be no MON on the touchline but I am sure once his own players start playing as a team and winning games we will start to see more from the big guy !

I still have faith ! We can still do this !

 

Like I said before I like Mowbray's signings but I am not convinced by his motivational skills, man management or tactics and this is where I disagree with the Alex Ferguson comparisons. Mowbray will never be half the manager Ferguson is. When was the last time you watched Man Utd and thought they looked disorganised, or when has he substituted an attacking midfielder to left back in an attempt to win a game (especially with strikers on the bench)?

I think by changing it now we would be in a better position come next season... I hope to be proved wrong but as far as I am concerned this season is over.

Faithful through and through (to Glasgow Celtic FC).

 

Alex ferguson in his first season at man utd only won ONE away game. Second season he managed to come 2nd in the league but in his third only ended up a poor 3rd. Did they get rid of him when they had the chance? Did they question his "man management" skills.....

Do u go to celtics training...? How do u know his motivational skills or man management skills?

Are you forgetting mowbray went to west brom, made 10 changes to the team he started with and ran away with that league whilst playing the best football in that league and IMO it is a far more difficult league that the SPL.

He made a bad decision with scott brown, he beleived we needed width when he should have stuck on Ras - everyone makes mistakes, but as for his tactics he has put out the team most people on this forum 9 out of 10 times have suggested he should play for that game and players have let him down, mostly samaras and his 3 or 4 sitters each game.

Team has no consistency and no confidence right now but as the team gels and puts their 20 chances a game away it could be a whole different picture