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gary caldwell's performance against barca

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by randy, Feb 20, 2008.

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  1. mhonybot

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    lets face it lads, we have done magnificent to make it for the second season running into this stage of competition. but tonight, the gulf in class was outstanding. the lads just cud not compete with their quality. yes caldwell should have just got the ball away. play football against spl quality, but dont try n pass it around players like this, because as we seen, 1 mistake and they will rip the * outa you. and sadly for caldwell he was in the thick of 2 o they mistakes. do your job, defend and get the ball away.
    but it was a night when i feel you have to hold your hands up and say, the best team won. i still feel the lads can do sumthen in barca. if celtic can score 2 goals agenst them, we can certainly score another. but mistakes shud be kept to a minimum, do the basic thing.. get it tae *!! coz tonight for all the football barca played, it was however mistakes which handed them ther goals!

    mon the hoops!!
     
  2. jpr21

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    WHY THE * DID CALDWELL PLAY...THE MAN IS ABYSMAL. HE IS A JOKE. HE LOOKED NERVOUS, AS DID THE WHOLE BACK FOUR NEARLY GAVE ME A HEART ATTACK WATCHIN THEM PLAY SLOPPY NERVOUS PASSES ABOUT. CALDWELL WAS SHOWN UP AS TEH DUD HE IS......BOBO SHOULD HAVE GOT THE NOD FOR ME ANY DAY, ......MISSED THE HOLDING MIDFIELDER MMORE THAN ANYTHING TONIGHT. PATHETIC
     
  3. randy

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    your'e spot on mate he just isn't celtic class, he was *. i think we need to spend alot of money in the summer as then huns have caught up with us, the defence was shocking tonight
     
  4. mhonybot

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    bobo is injured mate. i woulda also had the big man in ther!! y did wgs replace caddis with wilson any1? injured? i thot the young lad was doin ok, i mean he wasnt the worst on pitch. have to admit i was kinda shocked that wilson did come on. if he was injured fair enuf. but i thot wgs wuda kept a sub to maybe come on and change things. robson was a clear bag o nervs at start. blind man and his blind dug cuda seen that. thot after donati's performance and the way wgs raved bout him he was a certain starter. thot donati previous champ lge games wud have ensured a start. but to robsons credit he stuck at it, got a goal, and then the game just passed every1 by.
     
  5. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    First of all, I have said on here many times that Caldwell is not good enough, as some other defenders are not good enough too imo. But,

    To blame Caldwell for the 3rd goal, imo, is harsh.

    I tend to see goals from further back, than when they are actually scored, and Caldwell was really not to blame.

    I don't know how you could expect him to play Messi wide 6 yard from goal, almost central???

    Give credit to Messi, rather than fault Caldwell.

    How about looking at McManus trying to clear the ball but hitting it straight off Donati. Or Hartley looking straight at Deco, then allowing him to run away to play the pass to Messi for the first goal.

    If we're looking for mistakes, fine, but look more closely.
     
  6. BTG

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    Ive said for months even years, Bobo deserves a place in our back 4.. Im fully aware he was injured for tonights game but some people who say he isnt good enough for the 1st team need to have a long look at this game aswell as many others. Balde is the way forward, at least he wouldnt even put himself in positions which Caldwell does, the ball would be straight into touch.
     
  7. Jeannie Gold Member Gold Member

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    I'm actually starting to feel sorry for Caldwell. I agree that he's totally inept and Celtic FC is out of his league but surely WGS has to take some responsibility for this. He's the man who knew where our frailties in defence lay and opted to stick with the back four. All of them were less than impressive. Naylor did his best under the circumstances, McManus wasn't too clever either, Caddis did an ok job and his replacement Wilson was nowhere near ready to be chucked into such an important game.

    Until WGS can stop slinging us the rubber ear and admit to having a problem with the back four we're going to continue being served up with the same pathetic performances. Caldwell shouldnt be there....he just doesn't have it. And yet again we have to listen to how great he was in the first half! As one of the radio pundits pointed out Celtic FC have a worldwide scouting system in place and it's hard to imagine that there isn't a reasonably good central defender out there.
     
  8. woodlandsbhoy86

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    we were playing barcelona ffs!!!!! some people need to lighten up a bit. their front three tonight would walk into every team on the planet, club or international.
    a little perspective? please?
     
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    Paul this thread was created about Caldwell I was just sticking to the thread. You are corect when you say that other mistakes were made and yes Mick was also at fault for the third goal. However again the question in this thread was about Caldwell and unfortunate as it is he has shown little ability as a Celtic player at anytime throughout his time with us. I know you agree with this however you seem to ignore the fact that the other defenders we have have at least shown their worth to the team at one time or another and have at least shown they have the ability to perform.We definatley need to improve from midfield to back in terms of being able to defend this is something I have stated on this site since the summer.

    I would just like to add that I dont like singeling out players for criticism as it is a team game overall. But when you see an individual consistantley hindering the teams prgress then you have to be critical as if you are not then the problem will just fester and IMO overtime it will spread to others.I think this is something that is hapening currently and this is why we see so many of our defenders under performing and making errors they usualy dont make.

    In regards to Caldwells part in the 3rd goal he was done by a bit of magic. But for me a decent defender would not have allowed the space for an attacker six yards from goal he was just off balance and if he was more with it he could have prevented it. By far not his worst mistake in a Celtic gersey but for me his one to many mistakes hapend long before tonight.
     
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    deserved a draw man dont blame anyone we were outclassed on the nite.

    hail hail

    p.s how good was the atmosphere the nite - electric
     
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    caldwell is a liability and always will be, he has nothing worth paying to see and gormless gordon wants to buy himself a couple of tickets tothe world of reality. he did everything to destroy everything built in the first half. doughnutti was his usually poncy self, mcgeady out of position, wilson looked useless, naylor constantly leaves gaps to be exploited and gordon continually praises the weakest links - get real or get out gordon!!
     
  12. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    I will repeat what I have said re Caldwell. He is not Celtic class, but, in a game where a team are totally outplaying us, the defence are under almost incessant pressure, which means they are under the microscope more than any other part of the team.

    I still don't see where you can fault Caldwell in any way for their 3rd goal. McManus plays a bad clearance straight off Donati, the ball deflects to Messi, who, as you say, displays a piece of magic, goal.

    You cannot ask a central defender to play a man wide 6 yards and central from goal, come on.

    The fact he was 6 yards from goal is the point. He could have gone either side, but his skill (being one of the world's best) took him into a goal scoring position.

    How many defenders throughout Europe could cope with that Barca team tonight?
     
  13. unoimrite

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    total agreement - strachan was proud in stating the back four cost 500,000. not something to be spouting when they are a comedy of errors - especially skinhead with a ball caldwell.
     
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    Hes a * donkeys * that * shouldnt evev be playing sunday morning pub league
     
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    i tend to try to always stay positive although tonight im returning home from cp gutted,barcelona are tremendous of that there is no doubt, if before the game id been told we had been beaten 3-2 i would have been disapointed but it wouldnt have been tottally unexpected,im gutted, gutted to have 2 really good goals jvoh was a cracker only to fkn give away 2 stupid goals needlessly,caldwell was poor but so were many others,we have big hearts but cant match other sides in cl for ability, caldwell must be right up strachans * if wgs thinks hes a player, the 3 subs made baffled me unless there were injuries,
    but the biggest let down of the night in fact the season is naka,if he was the player some of you guys make him out to be he would be world class,the guy has great free kicks but * all else and deserves to be dropped,no doubt i will get pilloried for that
     
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    I hate to criticise Celtic players, but Caldwell has to be one of the worst defenders to wear the Hoops in recent times.
    He is at best a mediocre SPL player, did alright at Hibs but the step up to play for Celtic is well beyond his limited capabilities.
    I know certain people think it's harsh to blame him for the 3rd goal, bad luck that McManus' clearance hit Donati, but Caldwell panicked, dove in to the tackle and made it easy for Messi to simply drag it back and score.
    If he'd simply stayed on his feet and pushed Messi wide away from the goal, who knows we might have scraped the draw.
    Caldwell was not the only one who dived in tonight, several Celtic players simply switched off and didn't track their men, but there can be no excuse for the part he played for Henry's goal, giving the ball away needlessly was bad enough, but to back off Henry and not even make a challenge shows what a poor defender he is.
    He is total pish, even against diddy teams in the SPL he continualy struggles and makes countless mistakes, he is without doubt the new Tebily, I can only hope he gets punted along with Donati in the summer.
     
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    I know you dont think Caldwell is Celric class. Something I said in the last post.

    With regards to the third goal I also said Mick was at fault for the goal and you know my thoughts on what caldwell could have done to prevent it. I dont agree with you that messi was bang central in the middle of the goals as when he hit his shot he went accross Boruc into the far corner of the net. I also said that it is harsh just to single him out for that goal and also as the scapegoat tonight as I agree the whole team found it hard going tonight because of the quality of oponent and also the formation WGS set us out with.

    However you must acknowledge that the other defenders have shown their abilities over the piece.I know they have had dips in form.But at least they have shown in the past that they are decent defenders.

    IMO and from looks of it in your opinion too. Caldwell has never shown a standard of form to be cosidered good enough. It just so hapens that for me the realisation of this came a long time ago.
     
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    Gary Caldwell tonight was dreadfull never is and never was good enough for celtic but he wasn't the worst player in the hoops tonight that honour falls to Lee Naylor not only was he at fault for the first goal where he watched the ball from the moment that messi passed to goffy instead of tracking his run but the amount of times messi was left in acres of space out on the right and miss controled or overplayed, we're lucky they only got three however lets not focus to much on the individual errors as a team tonight celtic played well and we can be proud by replacing two players (GC & LN) i think we can be a real force in europe hail hail
     
  19. randy

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    naka was poor mate but he's still one of our most creative players, he's a flair player and when things aren't going our way he does go missing but he still deserves his place. if he doesn't have the ball or have people making runs what do you expect. who would you play instead? riordan, donatti, robson? i think our midfield should be naka, brooooon, robson and mc geady. there's always the chance naka will pull off something special even if he's having a poor game, you cant say that about many others in the squad
     
  20. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    This is typical of people who wear blinkers when it comes to criticising certain players.

    "Bad luck that McManus' clearance hit Donati"
    "Caldwell panicked"
    "If he'd pushed Messi wide"

    Equally bad luck the ball fell to one of the world's best footballers, who took his goal brilliantly.

    Caldwell had no time to panic.

    Can't push a player wide 6 yards out in front of goal.