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FORREST A NO NO.

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  1. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    20 is not young by any stretch of the imagination for a winger.

    McGeady had been in the first team for 4 full seasons at 20, Messi and Ronaldo were slaying the world at that age as well.
     
  2. brucelee

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    give the bhoy his due but hes been good this season plus hammer he isnt anywhere near ronaldo or messi lol or even mcgeady tbh
     
  3. ILoveTheCeltic

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    I know but hes not fully developed.

    A 20 year old Messi didnt have great fitness or strength or even the pace he has now and nowhere near the consistancy... you could replace his name with the name of any guy like that from a few years ago... Nani, McGeady, Rooney, Sanchez, Ribery, Robben etc

    Forrest will still get stronger, fitter and quicker but it wont happen over night it will take atleast until next pre-season as will the confidence.

    A 20 year old Cristiano Ronaldo had no strength, average pace and he had over 100 competitve Portuguese, English and International experience. He also only scored 9 goals in 50 games that season.
     
  4. mmmikey

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    McGeady made his debut at 18 :97:

    These guys are in a completely different world, but in fairness to ILoveCeltic, Ronaldo's breakthrough year was at the age of 20.

    I think there's a lot of truth in saying Forrest still has developing to do. I don't think he'll ever be in McGeady (or Maloney's) league like many others say, but he will get better - which means we'll have a very good SPL player on our hands.
     
  5. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    He was in matchday squads at 17 and made his debut at 18 but he had been in the first team squad since the age of 16.

    He chapped O'Neill's door wanting a game when he was 15.
     
  6. ILoveTheCeltic

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    I just thought you were being a bit harsh about saying he's all the man he will be.

    He hardly kicked a ball between the ages of 15 and 16 through injury and was then fast tracked through the under 19's where he only played about a dozen games in 2 season because of injuries again into the whatever it is they call the Reserves and then First team so his physical development is behind the average player his age.

    Ive no doubt at all that Forrest will get stronger and faster and be better than Maloney or McGeady.
     
  7. mmmikey

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    I hope you're right but I don't think he will. For all his pace and acceleration, I don't think he has Maloney's creativity/guile or McGeady's downright flashiness.

    But let's see! :50:
     
  8. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    I'm not meaning physically I'm aware he could and should be getting bigger, stronger and faster.

    My point about him being all the man he is ever going to be relates to his approach and attitude. He isn't a wee boy with a talent he is a grown man that should be taking responsibility on his shoulders.

    A lot of people applauded him for being 'a wee guy showing his elders up' which was wrong. He is their equal and he should be taking the bull by the horns, he is good enough to do it.
     
  9. ILoveTheCeltic

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    I think he's more intelligent than them both on the pitch, he doesn't have the creativity of Maloney and doesn't have the stepovers or spins of McGeady but he has a better range of passing/crossing and shooting than both of them. Physically he is between Maloney and McGeady hes not as fast or strong as McGeady but not as slow and weak as Maloney, I think he will eventually become as fast and strong as McGeady though which to me anyway will make him better than either of them.
     
  10. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    He is already better than Maloney, whether or not he can become a £9.5 million player playing in the SPL is a different matter.

    He will have to start showing up against the likes of Rennes to even be considered.
     
  11. Lion1961 Bookmaker

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    Forrest is far from the finished article and at 20 he just needs to be more confident about his own ability. If he gets a consistent run in the side and they are playing well I think we'll see him develop leaps and bounds.
     
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    Been one of our best players so far this season. Personally I think he just had an off-game tonight.

    When someone has an below-par game in a European tie there's a temptation to attribute it to the quality of opposition, but that wasn't my impression watching the game. I doesn't suggest to me he can't handle European opposition, any more than a below-par game in the Scottish Cup would suggest he couldn't handle 2nd division opposition.
     
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    hes already better than maloney unless you are referring to maloney prior to his move to aston villa and his career being ruined by injury. I do think forrest will develop to be at that level he just needs some more experience
     
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    Give him a break guys. Inexperienced at this level, very young, was played out of position and the team struggled to get the ball to his feet. We all know this is when Forrest plays at his best
     
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    He is already much faster than McGeady, McGeady is more about the tricks and quick feet, Forrest is about directness and out of this world pace.

    Forrest had a poor game tonight but he's not really to blame, first off he has never looked comfortable on the left, he's always hesitant to take on his man. I really don't understand why he wasn't on the right. Secondly you could count the number of times he had the ball played into his feet in a meaningful area on one hand. Forrest isn't going to go on a mazy run from the halfway line, he thrives around the box where he can beat his man and have a shot/cross.
     
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    tonight sadly, he was a little boy lost.
     
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    A fat 'winger' that can't beat a man and shoots nearly every time he gets the ball. No thanks, I'd rather let Forrest develop into a star than have Commons replacing him in the team on the back of one away match in Europe where he was played out position.

    Why are people talking * about him being a "little lost boy"? You'd think he ran away hiding for the whole game. Did nobody watch on Saturday or are you all too * fickle?

    If we'd set up a bit more attacking and played him on the right wing then maybe he would've performed better. They were * defensively and it was an opportunity missed. We played far too deep. That isn't Forrest's fault.
     
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    Great post funny how after one average european performance when he didnt see much of the ball forrest goes from the best player on the team to a little lost boy the truth always lies somewhere in the middle.
     
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    Has he even turned 20 yet? I hope the fans arent too overly critical of the guy just yet, last thing he needs is confidence issues because he is still very much developing. He could be one of Celtic's best ever players to come through the youth ranks. Give him time. Commons has been absolute rubbish all season, at least Forrest has made some contributions and some great goals.
     
  20. UncleHo

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    I dont quite get the hype around Forrest. People saying he might become a 9.5 million pound player like Aiden. Only reason we got that for his was because he went to Russia, the same country that paid almost 5 million for Gary O'conner.

    The EPL have some of the best scouts in the world and the ability to snap up good young SPL players very quickly, take some of the youth we have lost and Rangers have lost. Yet they didnt take Forrest, and they looked at him.

    His play is too one dimensional, the same thing that held Shaun Wright Phillips back in his career, doesnt play with his head up, just runs with the ball and hopefully gets close enough to the box to shoot or pass to an open player, and even his passing is way off most of the time.

    People here saying "get him on the wing" "he is a winger" He aint no winger, he is a wide player that comes in off the wide right position to the centre.

    He can't cross, he doesnt look where he is going and severely lacks composure.

    I hope I am wrong, and he is the next big scottish player. But for me he is a poor mans SWP and will always be that way. Good for the SPL, nothing better.

    Players these days are hitting their peak at his age, they need to, tp maintain their positions. He looks like one of these youth players we give a run out to, trying to impress.

    For me, play in the SPL, keep on the bench for a burst of pace and energy, dont get your hopes up for a future legend.