Flares and their continued use

flares are *

oh wow, such flame, very bright.

 

Oooh flare, very European, very ultra, sooo cool. Retards.

 

Letting off flares is just plain stupid, what purpose does it serve? Does it help the team in any way- cos you know fans are there to cheer and help the team, in what way does a flair help the team or club. Negative headlines and a fine. Brilliant.

 

Oh you got that right

 

This whole flair * is a generation thingmebob.

Its simple really,you are not allowed to smoke a cigarette/cigar or pipe in nearly all public/private places,whether its a football arena,bus,cinema,train or where ever,and rightly so,for health and safety reasons,so it is * stupid to light a flair.

But what makes it even more * stupid,is when the manager,the CEO or the club come out and publicly ask for you not to do it,and you still do knowing full well that our club will/can be punished.

To me UEFA are a bunch of money grabbing,big team * kissing * scumbags,but its their tournament,their money that they hang like a * carrot for the wee countries,and their rules.

So, we either comply or pay the fines,it is simple.

 

You are just saying that cos you know they will NEVER try to ban or fine fans who wear a tighter trouser!...

 

Never come to the Hill you will hate it

 

I personally have no problem with them.

I only hope UEFA don't start taking further action, as I don't think these flares will be stopped.

Unfortunately the mentality of some people in life, is if you're asked to not do something you're going to do it.

I do feel were being punished a lot more than others for it though

 

Could say that of million things, what purpose does a haircut, types of clothing, fireworks, bonfires, tattos, jewellery or types of car or whatever serve.

People like doing certain stuff, like lighting flares at football. Theres no harm in it and if it happens it happens, any fining for it should be condemned.

 

What purpose does a haircut serve? Surely you must be at the wind up?

 

Why would you get a certain style of haircut. Because you like it.

Exact same as why some people like using flares at the football and some dont.

 

Question to the club - would the club agree to having a professional company involved in displays. Fans could plan / design the display and employ and firm to use *safe* materials etc.

perhaps the club could set aside an area for such displays -- those with breathing problems or those wishing to take no part could then avoid this area!

IF there is a willingness on both sides to see safe displays and add atmosphere then it should be a simple matter of getting together and agreeing a way forward. If the club is determined to have a hardline attitude then there will always be those individuals who will get the club into trouble.

a single flare does nothing for atmoshere or enhance anybody's reputation.. but the club are more than happy to use pyro etc when they want to put on a display.. so its ok for the club but not the fans!

there must be common ground as it is obvious that both want to use flares, etc at certain games. What is to stop a *supporter from club x* attending one of our games and setting off flares resulting in a fine for us?

 

Haircuts don't get the club fined. Ridiculous comparison.
The lighting of flares the other night is out of ignorance and sheer stupidity.

 

Contrary to some posters above, I don't think this is a simple issue at all. Genuinely simple issues don't normally cause so much controversy for so long.

Anyway, and FWIW, I'd like to share my view.

1) I don't understand why some people think it adds nothing to the atmosphere. Even if it does nothing for some of you, it clearly enhances the atmosphere for many people. You only have to look at November 5th, not to mention clubs and associations letting off fireworks for trophy presentations, including both Celtic and UEFA. How many of you who think people who let off flares are idiots walk around on November 5th muttering under your breath about morons? How many that are so concerned about the money we have been fined are concerned when the club spends (in your view surely wastes) money on similar displays? Personally I think they look great and really add to the atmosphere.

2) There is no doubt that (unlike the lateral movement nonsense) some of the Health and Safety concerns are genuine. Many Celtic fans have expressed concerns about this. Wasn't there a fan group of disabled Celtic supporters that released a statement asking for them not to be used? IIRC some people on here even expressed concerns due to their own health difficulties.

3) IMO it just isn't worth fighting for. They look great, but they there are far more important battles for our support at the moment. Personally I wish we'd stop using them.

4) Nevertheless, it's not my place, or that of any other individual Celtic fan, to tell our supporters what they should and shouldn't do. The match-going support as a whole need to come to a collective decision about this. I suspect it will be in favour of stopping their use.

Complex issue.

 

He wasn't talking about fines, though; he was answering a specific question about what the point to flares was and, in that regard, the comparison is 100% valid.

 

I hope that never happens getting a company in to help with a display.

 

If they want to continue using them then they can also pay the fine/s.

 

The whole internet reaction just screams 'Good wee Tim', 'Uncle tim' stuff.

From this to just giving pages for huns just screams it.

 

If someone has breathing problems then all they need is a wee paper mask and their inhaler. It's not like they're going to collapse and die from breathing in a wee bit of smoke once a week/month or whenever.

Only time action should be took is when they're flung onto the park or if theres damage to seats from them sitting on them or whatever.

Other than that, the reality of it is its basically 2 minutes of bright like and smoke then its done. There was only 3/4 at the game in our end to and about the same in their 8ish flares. If it was 100 and covering the whole stadium in smoke blurring view then you might say aye get it banned.

 

You seriously think someone with breathing problems should have to rely on medication to get through the game safely? If it's a trade off between some people believing it helps the atmosphere, and some feeling it causes them genuine health concerns, then I know what side I'm on.

Personally I think they look quite cool but don't really contribute much to the atmosphere. It's part of an 'Ultra-culture' more than anything. For someone to light one in Milan so recently after the fine is beyond moronic though.