Fans harsh on Samaras

Everyone wants Henrik of old. That was lightning in a bottle, mate. Getting world class strikers for 400,000 just doesn't happen that often. We paid next to nothing in today's prices for a player that has poured out his guts for us, and people are upset because he doesn't convert every chance or make every pass. I guarantee that if Robbie Keane has a couple of weeks turn up bad that he'll get none of this. It's embarrassing. How are we ever gonna get players to stay when the one's that choose to wear the hoops, even for less money, get this kind of criticism. It's a poor reflection on us, the fans.

 

the comparisons between georgios samaras and wayne rooney or robbie keane is absolutely daft. your argument collapses under the sheer insanity of the comparison. samaras has done * all compared to keane or rooney. saying that their statistics or work rate characteristics are comparable says nothing

 

combene , You are totally missing the guy's point here..


jmcdaniel is clearly a Celtic fan judging Samaras as a Celtic player and Keane as a Celtic player.. If Keane goes off form game after game , or doesn't make the right move while expecting a pass to come to him , then he'll not be subjected to same level of criticism as Sammy..
Whatever Keane has achieved as a player in the past for Spurs or Ireland or anyone else is of no benefit to Celtic or Celtic fans..
His point being that Keane will never get the same criticism as Samaras and it's happeneing already..
Keane missed two good chances at Kilmarnock and another one-on-one with the keeper yesterday a few minutes before the penalty.. All poorly hit shots yet barely a peep of criticism.. Even the commentators on the Channel67 service chose the line "Keane is already making keepers in Scotland work really hard for their money" after the save... No.. No he's not.. He's made it easy for them in each of those 3 occasions by hitting the ball straight at them..
The point being that it's a poor reflection on the fans , like at the Hibs game when there was cheering as Sammy's name was called out as he got subbed , (not to be mistaken as cheers for Rasmussen who got his cheers moments later) we don't need to be singling any guys out , or singling out others to give things a fair balance.. Let's just get behind all players and cut them some slack when things aren't going for them..

 

come on m8. have read the board? people are saying we should sell wee aiden for 7mil in some cases. celtic supporters are quick to turn on anyone in a spat of poor form and the same would be true if * forbid robbie keane has a run of * performances. the discussion will turn to mogga being an eejit for bringing him in and he's old, past his prime etc. to make this into a personal thing against samaras is mad. if samaras was sitting on 16 goals at this point and capitalizing on opportunities instead of costing us points, he'd be loved. however, he's not and worse is showing no signs of improving or learning from his mistakes. he falls into the same catergory as our number 1 keeper right now where the support are saying, he was a nice player at one point. he's not performing right now and therefore should not be playing. i don't think that the desire to have the team on the pitch that gives you the best chance of winning makes you a poor fan. it just means you care. remember it's the badge we're supporting not individual players. sort it out or you sit

 

spot on

 

i really don't get why you confuse criticism with abuse. I mean at your work place, if you made a mistake, what do you think would help your confidence rise?
a) getting a warning or advice or criticism?
b) getting verbal abuse?

It's as simple as that. You can all criticize as much as you want, and you re actually entitled to, but i don't see the point in using abuse, calling a celtic player a *, or a donkey, or a fairy or anything..

 

to make the analogy you're trying to make, it would have to be either mogga, the board or his teammates calling him a *, donkey or fairy. then i would agree that it could hurt his play and confidence. but when people in the stands or on a message board are saying those things, it shouldn't effect him.

at the end of the day, what do we know about football compared to him or his teammates. practically nothing. we're entitled to our opinions and places to vent, but what we say shouldn't matter. that'd be like someone coming to your job site that has no idea what it is you're doing and saying you're pish. you'd say right back get tae * and be on with your day.

if that happened to effect you negatively, i'm sorry but you're a dummy spitter. same goes for a professional footballer. if your self confidence is that low, then you're not fit to play at this level. simple as.

 

I can easily see why Samaras gets a fair bit of stick from some Celtic supporters. He is a frustrating player. Brilliant one minute and terrible the next. I think the second half against St Johnstone recently sumed him up. He missed 2 sitters and then scores with an outstanding volley. My big criticism is really that he doesn't get himself in front of goal enough. He spends most of his time a long way away from goal. I think that is why Samaras and Fortune don't work as a partnership as they both like to play outside the box. Having said that I don't believe in jumping down a players throat. I just don't see how in any way that helps the situation. Unless the player is lazy and clearly doesn't care which to be fair whatever you say about Samaras he does care and work hard.

For me right now if we play 2 strikers Keane and Rasmussen look like our best partnership. But Samaras is young and he still has time to show he can become a consistent force for us.

 

In an ideal world we'd have 4 strikers that make 2 partnerships.. Maybe a taget man and a poacher in each partnership... I don't know enough about Kamara and Rasmussen to see where they fit into the equation.. People have labelled Rasmussen as the poacher type yet someone said on another thread (A Danish poster who's followed his career) that he's surprised the goals have been with his feet and tipped him to score more with the head than the feet by the time the season is out.. We can safely say Samaras and Fortune are not target men and play more as wide players and constantly drop deep... Kamara (Like Fortune has done) gives the impression he's a good a bet as any player in the team to score from outside the 18 yard box.. Maloney probly being the best of the rest when it comes to long range shooting..

In saying that Im not convinced playing Keane and Rasmussen as a partnership is going to be what TM decides.. You wouldn't want to be 0-0 after 70 minutes at home to Hearts in midweek with a worn out Keane and Ramussen already on the pitch and only Samaras and Fortune on the bench..

If Keane and Rasmussen is seen as the most potent front 2 then it's got to be worth giving it a shot and trying to get games won early..

 

you got me so much there Combene

Think my analogy was not so good after all

And it wouldn't be that hard for me to believe that sammy is a dummy spitter which is yet another negative aspect of his personality.. so instead of making it better i made it worse

 

fair dues m8. at the end of the day what i'd like to think is that the majority of supporters just want whats best for the club first and that's the only thing that's important. the means to the end can be debated and discussed but really don't matter. as long as we keep getting results it's all for a laugh isn't it?

 

Sammy.

Samaras should watch a DVD of Big John Hartson and he might learn something.One game Samaras looks like Maradona and the next he looks like Madonna !!

 

course it's all about Celtic. Players are the means to bring success to the club, and that's what's important.
Therefore, it would be better if Sammy could be used according to the needs of Celtic, rather than being sold.
I, for one, don't believe hes the biggest liability in the squad, and should only be moved if there can be a proper replacement, which at the financial state that Celtic is in, would be hard to find.

 

here we go with the sutton comparison again. goals to games ratio? does that take into account the amount of times big sutty played centre half?

 

i don't disagree with the premise of keeping him to suit the needs of the club. with that said, i don't think he's a 90 min/game player. he' be an excellent sub up front or on the wing. considering our current options, no need for him to start at all, let alone play an entire game

 

He's made it easy for them in each of those 3 occasions by hitting the ball straight at them.. admittedly he did as you say hit the ball straight at them. even as a kid you are told make sure you hit the target the keeper then has to save it. big samaras struggles at times even to do this.

 

Samaras's problem is consistency, no doubt.

If Samaras could play at his very best every game, he'd be a Celtic legend.

 

Anyone who knows me half-well knows I absolutely can't stand him. I don't think he's celtic class

 

Totally agree, mate. I don't think it's wrong to point out when someone makes a mistake, but to say things like "He's a donkey" or "he has no football skills" etc is asinine. I've no problem with criticism, but the abuse is ridiculous.

 

You've obviously missed my point. Keane makes, what, 60000 per match? And Sammy probably 4000 or less. And yet you will jump all over Sammy for missing a pass and say nothing of Keane? And the point being that you should jump all over neither player. Especially not in such an abusive way as our fans have been on Sammy's back. All we'll do is drive away a decent player by blaming him for a season that's had little to do with him. When other players looking for a breakthrough see the abuse he's received what makes you think they'll come knocking on our door? Especially now that you can go play for Hull or Burnley or someone like that and make more money and have a chance to play at the highest level. Things in Scotland aren't what they used to be and if Celtic support turns abusive it will only get worse for Celtic.