Ex Celts you hate..

Probably right tbh.

 

Don't think so mate.

We win some we lose some but it should be a case by case basis. Jackie should have had a contract, Joe Ledley should have got his, even Samaras should have.

Players who want to be here we wait far too long to actually offer them anything, sometimes that is far to late.

 

I wish I had some insight into the way we actually conduct nehlgotiations to contract extensions mate, because (imo) there's something particularly not right with the way they are generally handled.

Ledley was a gutter when he left. I personally was gutted at Jackie's treatment. Samaras I wasn't too particularly bothered about, but he should have been rewarded for his good service over the years. Commons had to wait till the laat second for a decent contract as well......doesn't sit right with me.

 

Ledley was a punch to the gut, he wanted to be here as well, he was one we should have never have let get that far. I agree with Jackie and Sammy, Samaras thing though is Lenny wanted to keep him. Commons beat them at their own game though, fair * to him.

It's not just them though, we do it a lot, we done it to Stokes and Lenny himself. It just worked our way that time. Those who show that they want to be with us and show loyalty we think ack they'll be here anyway and don't try and look after them. That's wrong for me.

 

I think when it comes to boardrooms and Pistol Pete, there are no green tinted specs. They have £££ in their specs. It's easy for us as fans to be sentimental and attached to players, wanting the best for them etc. I'm with you guys, the way some are treated is crap and it's sad to see some players leave under a cloud. End of the day in the corporate world, the fat cats don't give one iota about this sort of thing.

To be a fly on the wall during negotiations is one thing, I'd like to be the fly on the wall before and after players or agents get in the room.

 

If I remember correctly, Miller was told that he wouldn't get a game after we signed McDonald.

 

Commons was Ronny's call - he was pretty clear about that.Pretty sure Lennon had big input in Samaras and Ledley too. It's really much more down to the manager than people think unless the issue is money.

 

I dont think you remember it right to be honest. If you believe direct quotes from Miller (granted he could be lying) then Lawwell directly forced him out of the club against his and his managers wishes.

Also I didnt start this whole thing either incase people think I did. I was just pointing out that any sort of questioning of boardroom policy by ex players is met with immediate hate on this forum. I am glad to see some reasonable posts regarding this today as well.

 

I well believe that Ronny lobbied for Commons. Of course he did. It makes perfect sense. As for the other two I think you could not be more wrong. I think the fact that those two players leaving was a key reason in Lennon leaving himself.

 

What players have been "met with immediate hate" after questioning boardroom policy?

 

Sutton was met with mad hate when he suggested that Ronny was a cheap option. Weather or not he is/will be successful is not the point. An ex player is well within his rights to suggest this at the time.

edit also frank mcavennie earlier this season

 

Charlie Nicholas is probably the main one there.

 

Also didnt Jackie Mac get it this season as well?

 

Lennon as well!!!!

 

It was also Ronny who stalled on the new contract. He only got the new contract after he convinced Ronny. I really dont think Samaras had any part in Lenny leaving, he was struggling to get a game at the end. Ledley maybe, but even that I doubt.

 

No he wasn't. He was met with derision because of the way he lunged at Deila as soon as he possibly could. Wasn't it October/November he was already hinting at wanting him sacked? He had a backwards mentality whilst Deila was clearly planning for the future. Celtic fans and ex-pros like Sutton love to criticise the "managerial merry-go-round" and quick sackings in England, yet after a not-great start for Ronny, Sutton was foaming at the mouth. Said Ronny would be a "failure" if he didn't win the treble, adding he would give him no credit even if he did. This despite Neil Lennon never achieving that as manager, but that didn't seem to matter because Lennon was his mate.

It really was shameful stuff from Sutton. Even had a hint of "this FOREIGNER doesn't know what it means to be Celtic manager" to it imo. I still find it hard to forgive.

 

Lenny's not said anything about the board. Infact, he's only praised them.

 

The part of your quote in bold is generalized nonsense.

Ex-professionals related to Celtic in some manner HAVE been criticized for their opinions, because their opinions clash with the opinions of the poster(s) - works both ways - if they're allowed an opinion, then we're allowed an opinion on theirs. "immediate hate" is just rubbish.

Sutton's over-the-top criticism of a guy just in the job smelled of something other than a disgruntled "fan" - was more like sour grapes.

Lennon has been (fairly, imo) criticized over some of his opinions, as has Jackie, as has Nicholas, Walker, McAvennie etc etc.

 

Not specifically, but "moaning" about not getting enough money to spend etc, would appear to be a criticism, yes?