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Does lennon need a mentor asap after last night

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by bigtim7, Aug 27, 2010.

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  1. TimMalloyBhoy

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    To blame the players solely, is even more ridiculous than blaming the manager in my opinion. Yes, they are highly paid professionals who should have put in a much better performance, however they are only on the park because of Lennon. It's a managers job to suss out players that he thinks do not have the bottle or determination to play for Celtic. Lennon has had an ample amount of time to build a fairly motivated confident team that can at least hold a 2-0 aggregate away from home.

    After the Ross County game, I blamed the players solely as I knew new signings were needed desperately and put my faith in Lennon to do bring in some new talent and sort out areas of the team that have been shambolic for years. But 10 signings on last night, and I seen all the same problems last season team had, with the addition of a woeful keeper. The only one to blame for this is Lennon in my view, the players last night that were playing who showed no drive or fight, were playing because Lennon wanted them too.
     
  2. Quiet Assassin

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    So bearing in mind that we'd beaten Utrecht 2-0 and came off a very strong weekend performance what would you have Lennon do apart from pick those players who had been performing?

    He picked his strongest 11 for the job in hand, but they didn't turn up. You can't legislate for human error, no matter how hard you try. I've no doubt that all 3 of the management team were trying to make sure those players were fired up before that game but most of them simply didn't turn up, despite management's best efforts.

    I'd hold Lennon responsible if this team started to make a habit of crumbling, but at this stage it's still to early.
     
  3. evilbunny1991

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    The only thing Assassin is that he didn't pick his strongest team, Maloney was on the bench, yes forrest played well at the weekend but come on against a St.Mirren team with a bunch of youngsters. Maloney who has played in countless old firm games and european ties left out to a 19 year old. Thats a slap in the face if i were maloney, the only player in the entire team who can link midfield play to attack and he was on the bench.

    If Lennon wanted that quick early goal then picking Forrest over Maloney was a huge mistake.
     
  4. TimMalloyBhoy

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    Your first point is a fair one mate, but I'm not a manager. Maybe a better or more experienced manager could have noticed the danger of becoming too complacent, using the wrong tactics or whatever resulted in a 4-0 gubbing, and did something to prevent this.

    Yes, Lennon picked the strongest 11, made up with around 6 of his own signings. So yes, it is Lennon's fault the 'strongest 11' available were not good enough. Maybe if Lennon signed different players, we might still be in Europe before September!
     
  5. penfold67

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    The performance last night was shambolic but it is the same performance we have seen for the last 10 years every time we leave scottish soil (exept the uefa cup run). Y is that? I can't figure it out!

    Doesn't matter who the manager is or who the players are, its always the same.
     
  6. Zander Gold Member Gold Member

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    hmm, who does that sound like?, Inter Milan perhaps?, yeah but they dont win trophies i suppose :rolleyes:, oh wait......

    that is a good formation to play away from home whether you like it or not, the problem is we didnt execute it at all last night, instead of all the long balls from our CB's we should have gave it to the midfield more often and on the counter, play it down the wings where we have pace
     
  7. ordinaryman

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    Yes to the mentor. As I have said in another thread, for me someone like Craig Brown; plenty of experience, highly regarded in the footballing world and gets positive results.
    I just think it is too much to expect a Rookie Manager to come into this Club and move it forward to where we all want it to be in 1 year. As great a player as he was, and his Passion for Celtic is undeniable, I just don't see NL as being so special that he can do it without an experienced guru to guide him. It's an accident waiting to happen and we simply cannot afford another year like the last one.
     
  8. Quiet Assassin

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    I'm not of the opinion Maloney is at present a stronger player than Forrest to be honest. Maloney blows hot an cold and when he came on he didn't exactly make a difference to our play.

    Maybe a more experienced head would have set us up differently, or changed things earlier but then maybe not, it's hard to say either way. Fact is the players he put out have been performing so you couldn't expect him to have made wholseale changes just for the sake of change. Apart from that, I didn't see anyone on the bench who was a game changer. Think we should just accept that we didn't turn up and that Utrecht played extremely well last night and exploited our weaknesses all over the park.
     
  9. Quiet Assassin

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    A * 4-5-1? :56:

    Thank * you're not picking our team. What would you have played, a 3-4-3? Oh wait, didn't we try that with a certain Mr. Mowbray and isn't he an EX Celtic manager because of that....:rolleyes:
     
  10. stoogie 02

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    Don't understand what fans are expecting from a mentor?
    He can only offer advice, it's up to Lennon if he takes it.
    To be honest, Lenny will probably be on the phone to MON, John Robertson & WGS anyway when he feels like he needs help, not sure we need to appoint someone officially.

    We need to give Lennon time, I'm sure he's learned tons already, last nights game is just another step on that steep curve.

    We'll be better prepared next year, with a stronger team that know each other better.
    Do I think Lenny has enough to win us the title back, yes I do, he seems to be very comfortable at SPL level, so personally I'm not overly pessimistic after last night's game.
     
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    exactly, you want to further undermine lenny in the dressing room? thats great, bring in a mentor so the players look at lenny and think, "this diddy can't * hack it on his own, i'm not listening to this *". bad move. the board made him the leader, now let him lead. stop with this mentor *, it's detrimental to the club. lenny will come good. too soon to chuck it
     
  12. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    I cannot blame Lennon for last night, nor do I think he should have a mentor.

    He picked a team and formation before kick off that I'd imagine most would have agreed with. It was the players who failed, to a man, to win their individual battle with their opponent.

    It was a shameful performance, and could easily have been 7 or 8-0.

    Lennon set that team up last night perfectly in my opinion, but was let down by weak performances.
     
  13. gunt

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    No its plain embarrissing to be talking about our manager needing a mentor when he is up against a guy who has the best CV since Jock Stein. If he needs a mentor then he shouldnt have been near the Celtic job and the board have some explaining to do.
     
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    He has on in Stuart Baxter mate who is highly regarded throughout Europe ,wether Lennon lent on him does'nt really matter now ,the players never performed last night.
     
  15. combene

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    exactly, if they're going to get him a mentor then just sack him and get it over with because once that threshold is crossed, it'll never work. the time for a mentor was when you announced his hiring. now that he's been the manager on his own, to set him back would be an admission that he can't hack it and nobody will take him seriously. GTF with the mentor bollox
     
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    why get a mentor when the board could have got an experienced manager in rather than appointing the cheap person. im not slating lenny in anyway but i am the board and there directors, i wish lennon all the success in the job and hope we recover from this humiliation as quick as possible , no dont appoint a mentor its disrespectful to niell lennon