Do you agree with the ban on new petrol and diesel cars from 2035?

Mechanical sympathy goes a long way. Discharging the battery quickly affects the battery long-term.

With ICE cars you can get the car serviced at any VAT registered garage and the manufacturer has to honour the warranty. A lot of people don't service their cars correctly. Lots of people chose to service their cars outwith main dealers because they are cheaper and some of the specialist garages are far more knowledgeable than main dealer technicians.

Reading the terms of the battery warranties I think you are stuck with getting the main dealer to inspect the batteries in an effort to retain the warranty. Once cars are a few years old many won't go near a main dealer. Owners will end their warranty without knowing.

 

This is the false sense of security people think they have buying cars from main dealer on approved used.

It is very common for main dealers not to carry out the inspections to the detail they claim they do, or not carry out work that was required. I've seen first hand main dealers falsify information they have recorded on their approved used checklist.

There is also many examples where main dealers have been selling approved cars having allegedly carried out all the checks, but they have missed very serious defects and serious accident damage.

We have an issue here where not all cars that are written off as they've been so badly damaged don't have the status recorded correctly. They are repaired cheaply, but an inspection should find the damage. They still end up at main dealers as approved used cars with clean histories.

 

No doubt there is always the reluctance for people to change over when something is so new and or different and we I imagine will see that continue as the transition to EV's is really still only in its early stages. Again for me when it comes to warranties car companies like to and will shaft you any way they can thats sadly not unusual in the auto industry be it ICE cars or EV's no difference. I use my dealer so its not a worry but me.

 

Sadly I have no doubt your right there about shady dealers. The cliche about someone being as trustworthy as a "used car salesman" springs to mind there. One of the reasons I always buy a new car when its time to get one.

 

Have you ever seen how many brand new cars get badly damaged during transportation and shipping?

I've fallen victim to this.

Lots of people will never have the luxury of buying a brand new car and especially with how expensive cars are now.

Electric cars have their place, but I do fear that car owners that don't have a big budget are going to get stung with some of the choices they have.

 

Thankfully my Mustang arrived safe and sound when I bought it. Sorry it happened to you.
No question we are still early in the transition to EV's from ICE cars. But just like battery technology continuing to improve over time so will the market in terms of choices that hit all the different price points on the market over time as the various traditional auto makers turn to EV models.

 

We could argue all day about the reliability and the warranty of EVs and ICE

I think most people are just not willing to sacrifice the flexibility and spontaneity that ICE vehicles provides.

There are petrol stations everywhere in the UK. It takes 5 minutes to get hundreds of miles of range. You can fit enough miles in a jerry can in an emergency to get you to the nearest petrol station.

The scenario in my head which prevents me even considering an EV is, imagine you are traveling from Glasgow to Birmingham for work, 300 mile trip. It's December, you have the heating blasting. You have enough range to make it to the hotel where you can get a charge. But just as you pass Manchester you get a phone call with some really bad news. You need to return home ASAP. But with 75 miles left you will need to find a place to charge before you can return. You will need to hope you can find one and there is no queue. The promise of a cleaner environment and cutting-edge technology fades into the background when you are left stranded, tethered to a charging station, anxiously awaiting the necessary charge to resume their journey.

I refuse to put myself in a position where the vehicle I choose to drive becomes a hindrance, restricting my freedom and flexibility. The last thing I want is for my choice of transportation to impose limitations on where I can go or what I can do.

I get people opting for an EV as a 2nd car if they can afford one. But I'll continue to prioritize the unrestricted freedom that traditional cars offer.

 

Without a doubt being able to charge at home is nice especially when the weather is crap. On a side note I totally agree with you about how much more enjoyable and quiet driving an EV is. My wife loves my Mustang too and when its time for her car to be traded in we will no doubt be getting another EV.

 

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This might be a daft question but how did you find the difference in how it accelerates from a stop start? Did it take a bit of getting used to?

 

Not a daft question at all because there is a massive difference with my Mustang compared to an ICE car. I was prepared for it though as one of my neighbours around the corner had one so he let me drive his car to test it out and so I got to experience the acceleration which was wild to feel the first couple of times. At the time I was between a Volvo EV and the Mustang and I just loved my neighbours Mustang so I went with that and absolutely love it. I knew then what to expect when I bought mine and combined with the one pedal driving I just love those aspects of the car and adapted fairly quickly really to the acceleration and one pedal driving.

 

2035? Too little too late.

The effects of climate change are already being felt all over the world. Marine life is dying out all over the world due to increased ocean temperatures. Natural disasters, crop failures, the planet's ability to filter water is failing, water wars are on the not too distant horizon.

Now when I hear someone say "I'm pregnant" or "my partner is pregnant" my first thought is why? There's not anywhere near enough of the rare earth minerals to keep making batteries. Leccie motors are not the answer.

There is far too many of us and a cull is coming. I had always thought it would be a virus but now a world war is looking highly likely.

 

Some EVs loosing 50% of their value within 12 months.
Negative equity concerns for anyone that took a PCP deal on an EV.


https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-12841839/PCP-electric-car-EV-finance-bombshell.html

Is Britain facing an EV car finance bombshell? How electric car owners who take out PCP loans risk paying far MORE than vehicle is worth due to collapse of second-hand market

• Britons spent some £17bn buying new cars in the year ending October 2023
• An estimated 80 per cent of these purchases were financed on PCP deals

It is the way eight out of ten motorists finance their new cars, but are Personal Contract Purchase deals good value for money - especially for people considering buying an electric vehicle (EV)?

In the 12 months to October 2023, some £17bn was loaned by financial institutions to motorists looking to purchase a new car.

Of these, one in five new cars sold in Britain is an electric vehicle. According to the motor industry, some of these, such as the Seat Mii Electric, are losing more than half of their value within 12 months.

This collapse in value is prompting concern among financial experts.

 

The values of all used cars are going down after CV19 ramped prices up, but some EV cars have taken significant hits recently.

The finance examples above look wrong. There are some manufacturers offering 0% finance to sell cars, but not many.

Tesla's current offer for the Model 3 dual motor is £49,990. The total amount repayable is £63,000 if you buy the car at the end of the PCP. The GFV is only £22,500 at 48 months.

 

Fair enough about the specific deals but it EVs are depreciating at a much faster rate that ICEs.

Here is a good article about it. You will see the top 10 appreciating cars are all ICE and the top 10 depreciating cars are all EVs.

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/used-car-values-fall-a-further-15-following-42-drop-in-october

 

Cars do not appreciate in value ICE or EV. Once you buy a car and drive it off the dealership it already is worth less then you paid for it.

 

Aye sure, from brand new most will loose value straight away but the past year or so with the supply chain issues some 2nd hand cars we're going for more than the brand new ones.

The table in the article I was referencing was YoY appreciation/deprecation.

 

I got my car over 3 years ago now, yet it's still selling for what I paid. Beyond crazy. However, the downside is the actual car I wanted went up, so loose loose