Deila' Tactics

because it is the celtic way, all my life in watch celtic we have played with 2 upfront (in over 90%) of games, but we can see 1 up doesnt work, at the end of the day Deila will be judged on results first!

 

correct we do not need 2 holding midfielders in the spl but we do need them in europe. do you really want the team to have to settle into 2 seperate formations and celtic be based around effectively 2 teams? or do you just think that we should give ronny a bit of time to build this team in the formation we need for europe?

its a no brainer in my opinion and i personally believe that if ronny stays for a while maybe 4 years he will build the best team we have seen in decades

 

Did you watch the Lisbon Lions by any chance? Because they weren't 2 up front.

We have strikers in that are capable of playing the lone role now, with Commons and the wingers pushing up top, it leaves us with 4 attacking options. It's why McGregor is our top scorer for one, it leads to more goals and more attacking play, while being tighter at the back. If implemented properly.

Look at Germany, they are the masters of it. Think Thomas Muller would get the goals he does on the right wing in a 442?

Look, when we never had the personell to play 1 up top I was fully on the two up front team but the 4231 formation itself is absolute gold when you settle into it. We've already seen signs against KR, Dundee United, some of the play on the weekend there.

 

no i am not old enough to rember the lisbon lions.

the 4231 didnt work against legia warsaw and maribor, or ICT or Dundee!

that formation will get Delia the sack, we will not settle into it, we dont have the players and the celtic fans dont have the temprement, he imo is 3 or 4 games away from all out crisis, guy talks a good game, but i am not impressed looks like mowbray mk 2 to me, hope i am wrong though!

 

I don't think it's a massive stretch to get the team playing 2 formations. Actually I'd quite like them to have a range of formations they can use depending on the opposition.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what has Deila done that makes you so confident that in a short 4 years he'll have such a terrific team?

I know it's only been one game since the new signings (and he's maybe had an eye on Europe), but if Deila continues with the 1 striker policy domestically I think he's going to frustrate the fans.

Still though, Aberdeen, Salzburg, Motherwell, Hearts, St. Mirren. 1 down, 12 days left.

 

It could be he is sticking to this plan while we are in Europe instead of swapping and * about game to game and once we are knocked out will go back to 2 up front for the spl.

 

We are in Europe till December though.
Hamilton could have built up an unassailable lead by then.

 

He has the players now, this is a season in transition, we need to settle into it. He tried to change things far, far too early and that was a mistake but the formation is definitely currently the best and most adaptable about and gets the most out of a lot of players. One of the more attacking as well.

Certainly stronger than a 442 where we are left dreadfully exposed in midfield, which incidentally, Legia at home was for the majority of the game.

 

true it isnt beyond the team to play 2 formations but if it is tried i can see us playing neither of the formations properly and when we try play either we will end up somewhere in the middle of the two and as good as useless

the reason i believe this about Deila is for 3 reasons

1-He has shown that he will not allow players to think they are bigger than the club and leave at any point they please. e.g Van Dijk

2-He has alot of focus around fitness and development this can only be good for the current players and would ultimately improve the team without even bringing in new players

3-He has added and cleared out the squad which is now at a stage where there is a great depth and if one player was to suffer an injury it doesnt matter to a great amount because there is adament replacements within the squad. The only exception at the moment being brown with his leadership

if he stays here for say 4 years he is only going to build on this squad and keep more players within the team than say Lennon. I do believe that Lawwell read Deila wrong. I think Deila was brought in as somebody to just do what he was told but i dont think he is the kind of manager to do that he sees it as his team which is the way it should be . the improved fitness and development will push through players currently on the verge of the team which will also hopefully be the boot up the * some of the current first team players need to up their own performances

 

I think playing a 4-3-3 generally leaves you quite open so you need to put high pressure on the opposition to stop yourself getting exposed - like we did against Dundee United at home. Against Aberdeen we stood off and invited them onto us.

 

This is what I have been saying. I agree also about the 2 strikers up top statement always works better with a target man and a nippy * (Guidetti & Griffalo would be my first choice.)

As for the Lisbon Lions, we played four attacking players 2 of which were strikers. (Wallace and Chalmers.)

 

I think we should adopt the famous and effective Craig Levein tactic of 4-6-0 seeing as we don't have a proven top class striker anyway......

 

Everybody played 4-2-4 in those days until Ajax popularised 4-3-3 and Bayern Munich 3-5-2 and the English teams of the 70s with 4-4-2.
Nothing really changed for a long time until Mourinho amongst others pulled back the outright wingers from the 4-3-3 to give us the 4-2-3-1 and that has stuck throughout world football.

Football has formations come and go in fashion, so to speak, 4-2-3-1 is the new daddy. Playing 4-4-2 makes us look old fashioned and inept.
Time to get with the times i say and get behind our managers ideas.

There is no point playing 2 up top when 1 will have to drop deep to help the midfield who will be up against 3 players in there.

 

Spot on, interestingly though, it was actually the Brazillians that made the 442 popular

 

Id like to see us play a proper four three three. Push the wide men up to wing forwards and then put three in the middle, all with license to get forward and roam. I always felt a 4-2-3-1 is far to rigid and relies on having an amazing attacking mid to link the and a world class striker to do bring the team into the game and to score goals. Something we lack

Also there's a big difference between footballing philosophy and tactics. We can still enforce passing attractive football in a different formation. Look at Brendan Rodgers, when he started at Liverpool everyone said he'd use his 4-3-3 formation from Swansea, but the team didn't work it, so he plays 4-4-2 diamond. But still with the high intensity attacking attractive football he used at Swansea

 

4 4 * 2!!!

 

In all seriousness, I'm convinced that Deila's formation will work for us over time. We have the players at our disposal to play the system now it would seem, it's just a case of getting the players to gel.

 

Playing away in Europe requires a 4-4-1-1 formation or even a 4-5-1 formation, however the most important thing is team discipline.

Even at 0-1 down with 20 minutes to go you DON'T go chasing a goal and end up losing 0-2 or even 0-3, keeping your shape and not giving the ball away cheaply are of prime importance.

I can only hope Deila reads my post because he leaves us far to open in Europe, against the higher level of competitors we will surely get punished.

 

Still not convinced at all. Saturday was pretty lucky with 2 deflected goals. We need to improve and no better way than getting points on Thursday.

 

remember when delia first came he kept saying he wanted more energy more energy

you just can't get that out of our celtic team with commons he's not got the required pace or energy and for me * up the formation

for me if your gonna play commons then its as the striker as that keeps him away from the engine of the team, he also slows everything down to much

this 4321 or 433 needs fast play not slow play need to stop hanging on to the ball for long periods get the ball pass once youve passed instantly move need good movement and good pace, we are to stationary and thats a bad habbit we picked up from neils time