Come in Tony Mowbray! Your time is up! [Threads merged]

couldnt agree more mate hail hail

 

Common sense !!!

 

did u not see this coming??its because of the last 3 years were in this mess!winning the league over the worst Rangers side there ever has been just papered over the cracks mate!!oh by the way.....wot a fine job hes doing at borough anyway :bbpd:

 

Let the guy build his team ffs. Do people actually think that Rangers will disolve if they finish second this year? Ain't gonna happen. Im willing to be patient with TM, and going by the wholesale changes hes making he realises we have a poor squad, which is half the battle.

About time we started thinking long term and not be ruled by knee * reactions every weekend.

 

I am sadly, not convinced by Mowbray and the question marks over his management are justified. The style of football now isn't a world away from what we had with Strachan and saying Strachan's style didn't bring success is nonsense. Strachan won a trophy in every single season he was manager. I agree that it had went a bit stale and it was time for him to move on, but Strachan left with his head held high. His public persona did not bother me one jot as being a PR man was never his job. His job was to get the team results and he did that job very very well. It is early but the same can't be said of Mowbray so far. The club tradition of playing beautiful attacking football are less important than getting wins. We were two wins away from 4IAR and I don't think that was a pathetic collapse. We also beat Rangers in a cup final for the first time in 20 years last season. Strachan was very passionate about his job here and gave it his all. Yes he had flaws and made mistakes but Celtic, under Strachan, were a joy to support.

Nakamura and Boruc were not Strachan's only good signings.
Strachan improved McGeady as a player in my opinion.
Comparing Strachan's reign to physical harm is disgusting.
7 months isn't enough time to rebuild a squad, but it is enough time to use the good tools you've been given and get results. Something Mowbray doesn't seem to be able to do consistently.

Mowbray will be adored if he achieves all of that, and I really really hope he does.

 

I think you make alot of valid points most of what i agree with. The exceptions being the ones i have quoted the two wins from 4IAR may have masked how poor we were from xmas to the end of the season but that 5 months of football was anything but a joy to support or watch a change was needed either in personel or manager, probably both!
The collapse then was pathetic to drop so many points and stick with two strikers in samaras and especially JVOH was a joke they were terrible a load of games without a goal and still getting their place?

The mowberry era has not been as successful as i would have liked and intitalally anticipated as early in the season we looked pretty sharp and were scoring and making lots of chances, this is something under strachens last years that we never done especially the volume of chances we currently create, but really need to start taking.
The defending was poor last 6 months of last season aswell. It is not as if mowberry has come in and turned the defence into a shambles the only difference was caldwell played poorly this year and last year he was good, the rest of strachens defence continue to be poor.

 

I agree, we were very poor in the second half of last season, mostly away from home. The obvious highlight during those months was winning the league cup.

JVOH and Samaras frustrated the life out of me when they couldn't get back to form after injury last season.

We do create more chances now, which leaves us a lot more open at the back.

 

Again i agree but mostof the goals we have conceeded are just blatant howlers from our defenders, schoolboy stuff really. Hopefully new signings will not be so prone to these eras.

 

We live in hope dude! :icon_mrgreen:

 

This is something that has come in with Mowbray's system though

 

You cant seriously be blaming the manager for individual mistakes he is not on the field! If a defender miskicks the ball or lets it go under his foot or is easily pushed of the ball or in our defenses case (hinkel and loovens especially) just have defensive switch offs.
Now a think the players need to take some responsibility they are meant to be professionals.

 

Same players didnt make as many defensive mistakes last season so it is a factor. What the manager is instructing them to do and what they are being trained to do is a major factor in how they play. How can it not be?

E.g. playing a high defensive line against Rangers in Ibrox with 2 slow central defenders against one of the fastest strikers in the league. It cost us goals. Thats the managers call and there has been many other examples like this.

Lapses in concentration and being caught out can be down to bad tactics and fitness, things that can be worked on at the training ground.

 

Some of the posts on this thread demonstrate the fantasy land a lot of fans live in. Football and winning is not all about pretty football. The Liverpool team of the 70s and 80s won more than any team has in Europe and at home but they were not good to watch. They played a possession first mechanical system and had few real tricky players. They often looked like there was about 4 central midfielders and (before Barnes) had no great wing play. When people make lists of the great players, only a very few of that Liverpool team feature (Dalgliesh and a couple of others maybe). However, thats football. Its not about pretty patterns and fancy tricks. That is the circus. Strachan's team were a lower level parallel. They played a system that allowed limited largely cheap players to get within a game of 4 in a row and to the CL last 16 twice. No other Celtic manager in our history other than Stein comes close to that. I suspect that the growth of the fan who doesnt really spend much time playing football when growing up is to blame for the lack of understanding and secondly SKY and the EPL has messed with peoples heads. ​

 

Mowbray should go, he's hopeless! We're playing so poorly when we should be top of the league. His signing of Fortune has been a complete waste of £4million.

 

I will say just a couple of facts and opinions:

Mowbray has disappointed, I think we all had higher ambitions of this season and with debt ridden rangers being now 10 points clear it really hits home that so far we have failed this season

as a defender he has not really enforced a defensive masterplan in our team, we have been shipping in the goals this season, as good as Artur is he can't work miracles.

Tony is one of the nicest most honest guys in the football world, but as a manager of Celtic I really just don't think he has got the passion, knowledge or mindset to be a real champion. We have dropped too many points and lost so millions on signings that could have gone on better players. I think that if we don't win the league it will be seen as a failure, Rightfully so seeing that we have been able to spend and rangers haven't. And without an SPL title this year Mowbray will probably go at the end of the season, but if it was up to me, I'd pay him off now and try find a much better manager to take over, Mowbray has never won anything and isn't inspiring us to win much right now either

 

Mowbray will lift the spl title this season.

 

Hello Mystic Meg!

 

my * *, you are a bunch of moaning, idiotic not-a-*-clue-in-the-world bunch of twats....apart from you guys with a sensible heid!!.
We support Celtic. Faithful through and through. Simple.
Fact. Strachans team was boring as *. Even my ma seen that.
Mowbray has to be given 2 seasons. And he will. And he will be succesful. We have a great chance of winning the league this year (and I would have wrote the same 1-2 weeks ago) and then we may win 4-5 in a row.
We are playing some great fitba this year. I believe hun * scored 20 out of 22 chances in 6 games recently - that will not continue. We create that many chances each game. Even if we dont win the league this year, if we stick by Mogga we will romp it next year and for the next few.
I hate most people in the world, but I usually love the Tic fans. You * who say you want to rip up your tickets...go ahead, coz we don't need you. We are Celtic supporters faithful through and through...

 

me tae!! im backin the manager!! we will get there

 

We knew at the second half of last season how pish we had become and at least half of that team had to go. Mogga had his work cut out for him but he is getting there.