Celtic to play Scotland for JK

I think you're naive thats the only way to put it.

 

yeah I have a big interest in all my heritages too but you got to keep it in some sort of perspective and remember its the past not the present reality. The indiulgence in an anti-Scottish counter-culture by an element of our fans is a sure fire way of guaranteeing that sectarian attitudes to us continues.

 

Yes but that's not what you were saying....

The anti-Scottish counter culture is going to be there as long as there are people here who celebrate their heritage of not just having Irish roots but being Catholic. There is an inbred bias against the culture of Irish Catholics and has been for nigh on a hundred years in this country.

People feel offended by the secterianism and bias that goes against them; having secterian state endorsed marches on their doorstep (more of them than in Northern Ireland btw)

The anti-Scotland national team culture is just a complete backlash at decisions the SFA have made in the distant past, not so-distant-past and the present.

It's not all yesteryear you only need to go as far back as them extending the league for the Huns to have a better chance and compare that to their reaction to us asking for that benefit when we were in Seville.

Prejudice breeds prejudice.

Not everybody can turn the other cheek.

 

Its not naive. My family generations back just decided not to get involved in all this tribal stuff and lived in the real world not lookng back. They married in across religious divides, didnt send kids to different schools (there were none in range), didnt let themselves be seperated off into some marginalised counterculture ghetto. In fact because my Irish lineages settled in the north of Scotland in a small trickle not in a big ghetto or the like they were accepted and married and blended in with the locals within a generation and never experienced any sectatianism. I firmly believe many Scots tims have positioned themselves into a counter-culture that is just too different from the local norm and that strife will always follow. There is no future in 2 clashing subcultures. Some sort of integration is a must and certainly there is no future in a counterculture that is anti the country you live in.

 

as for the scotland team being a part of the sfa, technically celtic come under the same umbrella. we're a member team of the sfa so does that mean we're also corrupt by association? of course not that would be ridiculous.

yes rangers players play for scotland well observed. when they play for scotland i couldn't give a * what club they play for. if i can celebrate a barry ferguson goal for my country i'm sure i'll manage not to be outraged by a couple of rangers players pulling on a scotland strip to help raise money for a celtic player who's career was cut short through injury.

i go to scotland games in a kilt. i take it that means i also boo mcgeady because he plays for ireland? as someone else already pointed out its not because of his nationality because he's scottish regardless of what country he plays for. also what do you want people who have spent a fortune to travel do when the result doesn't go their way? i'm assuming you rightly joined in the slating of rangers fans reactions in numerous european cities so thats not the answer, enjoying yourself is out so maybe just go and sit in the hotel room till the flight home?

and since we're calling me a fud for my comment about getting villa to play it instead why do you like martin o'neill so much? you clearly hate anything scottish so i've come to the conclusion that o'neill being irish was a plus point in your book. maybe i misjudged you but i'm sure it won't upset you too much, after all i'm just a fud and a racist bigoted tartan army *

for the record if this game does go ahead i wouldn't have thought i'd be the only one going in a celtic top and a kilt

 

My mothers protestant, my dad Catholic. My dad's side are descended from Donegal through his Mum and Dad and my Mum's parents are as Orange as they come but I love them to bits.

That there is integration; doesn't mean you accept prejudice against you just because you want to integrate. You need to stand up against biasness, prejudice and secterianism.

Otherwise we may as well just wrap ourselves in the Union Jack and pore scorn on the Irish * accross the sea?

 

Good idea this game , would be funny if the Scotland supporters only got that * wee bit in the corner in our own country .

 

That's a good point actually; what the * going to happen with the fans?

Surely to * they can't have us sitting all together like Jackie's testimonial a few years back?

 

It is meant to be the Christian duty of every Catholic and Protestant to try though. Ghandi said 'an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind'. You can see what happens if you do not in Israel where it just gets worse and worse.

As for how you see the nation in terms of sectarianism, it depends where you are. The north and east of Scotland are not in the same league as the centre and south-west. Unfortunately most Scots catholics live in the most orange bit of Scotland. However, north of the central belt there are practically no orange lodges and sectatranism is rare. If you are brought up in the large chunks of Scotland outside this west-central area the latter looks like another world, more like Northern Ireland. So, having grown up among the more northerly and easterly Scots I do get * off with people thinking that the WHOLE country and therefore Scots in general are like the sectarian element in west-central Scotland. From the north it looks like a local social problem.

 

The majority of the country live in the parts you're talking about though. If I remember right Glasgow (and surronding areas) count for half the population of Scotland?

If you have grown up out of the main areas of where it happens; away from the most bigoted areas I don't think you can have a proper perception of how bad it is.

I live in the east end of Glasgow where it's probably the worst. Even a couple of years ago my Dad got knocked back from a golf club for having the 'wrong' last name and pointing to a picture of the queen on the wall. Stuff like that is wrong and happens all the time, it's built into a * of a lot of peoples culture.


I admire your view and Ghandi had utopiac vision of the world; I try to rise above it but I'm sure as * no Ghandi and I sure as * would not accept getting singled out for having the wrong last name.

Ask around people on the board; I'm sure they can tell you more than me I'm only young but this goes back longer than I've been alive; people have long memories.


Anyway, best of luck for John Kennedy.

 

Believe it or not many many Scots do not fit into the for or strongly against the Irish camps. Ireland really only an issue to people on either side with axes to grind and baggage. Many people have no views on Ireland could spend a lifetime without thinking about the place. Do you really think Ireland crosses the mind of say the average Aberdonian more than about 10 minutes of their lifetime and that probably Westlife or something! I think the country has about 10% who are Ireland daft and about the same who are bigots against but it really is not an issue that they ever think about.

 

See post above that probably covers this point as well.

 

You lads have to stop over-thinking things.

They boo a player, How is that sectarian????,

All the rivalry between supporters leads to one thing a banging atmosphere, witch I for one will enjoy, don't think there will be too much hate in the stands just friendly banter, both sets of fans are known over the world for not causing trouble and this day should be no different.

hail hail, bonny scotland

All very uplifting

 

Regarding Scots population, I think its a roughly 50-50 split between the industrial central belt and 'the rest'. Population density is much lower in the north but the size is so big there are probably still a couple of million in the area north of the Tay,

I dont disagree with anything in your post. I just think that its important not to hand over the country to the bigots by rejecting it. Rejecting it but living in it makes it all the more easy for bigotted people to treat tims as blow ins and outsiders etc. I understand that it takes two to tango-you need to want as well as be wanted and I understand that being rejected has created a counterculture but I think its a bad move to basically embrace the rejection and retreat into an ancestral identity. Each to their own though.

 

it is an unfortuante quirk of history and geography that most of Scotland's catholics landed right bang in the middle of the Protestant heartland of Scotland; and the West of Scotland in particular (where i'm from) can be * tribal and it really does * me off at times so much so i'm an avowed atheist these days, quite frankly, by the time i was 15, i realized too many people in this part of the world use religion to forward their own prejudice and its so * entrenched i doubt things will ever change; which is why my goal since ive been 12 or 13 is to get out of Scotland!

but anyway back on topic, i'm not neccessarily oppossed to the idea of a v Scotland match, though i remember being at the Jackie Mac Testimonial and it was horrible, i mean it was a decent game (keano scored!) a lovely sunny day but it had an end of an era vibe about it which i was unnerved by; and quite frankly, i wouldnt like the idea of thousands of gloating huns coming to Parkhead under the guise of the Tartan Army to celebrate their likely League title; why not try get Barca? after all, it was against them who he made his name against!

 

Mate, I was told to go home to scotland, last year at school.
The thing is people like me and the guy got * kicked for it.
I don't think its vile or racist, its just rude and disrespectful.

For the venom remark, are you * me?
Really? venom? It's pish. So stick the scotland comments right back up where they came from, your green and white *. Because, others on this forum have better things to say.

 

I thought this thread was about JK match.....

Any excuse for the same debate about Scotland v Ireland for some on here

 

Any old excuse mate. Some nice displays of hypocrisy going on tOO.

I'll be there. I'll cheer when Keano scores for Celtic and when Boyd scores for Caledonia. I'll get a horrible lump in my throat when JK talks

oh and I love lOOking like a tin of shortbread, beats being part of the blue denim brigade. I've had two trips with Celtic to Lisbon and Hamburg almost ruined by the hypocritical anti Scots like the ones on here. I've also been on the recieving end of anti scots jeers in Irish pubs in Glasgow. Will I stop supporting the cel'ic? NAW! Will I ressent the Irish? NAW! I'll just laugh at the fannies because I know why Celtic are called Celtic and I know what Celtic means and who the Celts are.

By the way. To whoever mentioned Catholics being persecuted in Scotland. The Irish Christians persecuted the pagans for not chosing Christ. So stop pretending you actually believe or even go to church because you don't otherwise you would know these two very important Christian morals:

'love thy neighbour' not just wee Mrs McDonald next dOOr btw.
'forgive your brother not 7 times but 77 times'

 

so is john kennedy able to play in the match ?

 

hopefully, maybe we'll get a penalty for john to take?
or is that just wishful thinking