Celtic Supporters Thread (contains GB chat)

Apart from when he was blowing them to pieces of course

 

I've not mentioned Sands.

But comparing Mandela to him is ridiculous because that's comparing SA to NI which is laughable.

 

Seeing as I classed him up there with Gandhi I am assuming you are responding to my post.

Where have I said the Irish were terrorists?

 

Reminder about this on Wednesday night:

Open Meeting for all Celtic Fans

Published on Sunday 19th January, 2014 by Celtic Trust

The Celtic Trust will be organising an Open Meeting for all Celtic fans on Wednesday 22nd January 2014 at 7pm in the Celtic Club, 1524 London Road. The purpose of the meeting is to allow interested Celtic fans to be able to discuss any concerns they have about recent events in an orderly and purposeful way.

The meeting will be chaired and everyone is asked to speak through the chair and to show respect to each other's views regardless of whether you agree with them or not.

Any outcomes of the meeting, or any follow-up meetings, will be progressed and reported back via the Trust. This includes any proposals for joint action.

Our initial thoughts in terms of an agenda is as follows:

• Recent announcements/actions by the Club
• Stewarding/policing
• Any other issues arising from the Milan and Motherwell games and subsequent actions by the club.

Those at the meeting are welcome to raise other issues on the night but it would be helpful if those who plan to attend and who want something raised were to let us know beforehand if at all possible. We look forward to seeing you all on Wednesday night and rebuilding the fan unity that appears, on the face of it, to have been eroded to some extent over the last month or so.

 

I did neither in the post you quoted.

 

Sorry, mate. Quoted the wrong the post.

 

On that though, there is a comparison between Sands and Mandela. One that Nelson Mandela acknowledged himself. Both men freedom fighters, both men going to prison for there cause, both men suffering for peace and both men being elected representives of thr countries Government.

A lot of parallels there but its is beside the point and way off topic but just wanted to point that out.

 

PS the Green Brigade have a Fundraiser after the Aberdeen Game in the Cup.
£10 a ticket. http://greenbrigade.proboards.com/thread/61010/fundraiser-after-aberdeen

 

Best news channel going btw. Both immortal heroes who fought against discrimination and oppression. However, one is still criminalised and made out, disgracefully, to be a hate filled terrorist. Mandela is on record saying he is influenced by Óglach Bobby Sands MP.

http://rt.com/op-edge/ireland-human-rights-defender-998/

"Perhaps the most significant and powerful tribute came in the form of a letter from Palestinian prisoners incarcerated in the Israeli desert prison of Nafha. The letter was smuggled out and reached the Falls Road in West Belfast in July 1981. It read in part, “We, revolutionaries of the Palestinian people who are under the terrorist rule of Zionism, write you this letter from the desert prison of Nafha.

“We extend our salutes and solidarity with you in the confrontation against the oppressive terrorist rule enforced upon the Irish people by the British ruling elite.

“We salute the heroic struggle of Bobby Sands and his comrades, for they have sacrificed the most valuable possession of any human being. They gave their lives for freedom… The noble and just hunger strike is not in vain.”

The sacrifice made by Bobby Sands and his comrades in the name of national liberation and anti-colonialism all those years ago remains a testament to the power of the human spirit.

Both Nelson Mandela and Bobby Sands struggled for the freedom of their people. A British establishment that now seeks to associate itself with Mandela’s legacy while reviling the legacy of Bobby Sands positively reeks of hypocrisy."

 

agree 100% mate.

 

and what about the GB forcing their political views on the majority of Celtic fans who or may not necessarily agree with? Your completely contradicting yourself in that sense.

and btw, I'm pretty sure if a powerhouse like Great Britain labels a group a terrorist, the rest of the nations tend to go along with what they say. Like it or not, if you asked people in the general public what is the IRA ? I bet you 90% of them say a terrorist organization. If you think people are mostly gonna answer Irish Republican Army, you are wrong. Even though they might be officially recognized for that now, that's not what people round the world think.

I just asked 3 American people in my work, 1 said they didn't know what it was and the other 2 said terrorist organization.

sorry to rain on yet parade but that's what people think.

 

You asked 3 people and have formed a world view.

Family Fortunes wouldn't even hire you.

 

that's 3 people I didn't explain my reason to. and 3 people outside of the UK that don't have personal feelings on the matter, where as if you asked 3 people in the UK, you would almost known what they were gonna say.

I'm right and you know it Sean ! People round the world don't call the IRA an army because its not politically correct. Where as Mandela managed to change the publics view on him and now is seen as a saint. There's a big difference. Bobby sands died in prison under ruthlessness in leadership. Mandela, got his chance to turn it around and now is seen as a hero. Its all about being politically correct these days and that's why you won't get the club supporting bobby sands banners etc.

 

And that is wrong.

 

* political correctness.

The mere phrase itself is * political.

 

The GB have never forced their political views on anyone. They put forward their own view and have never claimed to speak for anyone but themselves.

I don't know why you are placing so much emphasis on your imagined morality of "Super great britain". Have you ever read about * sunday or the Ballymurphy massacre?

"The rest of the nations go along with what they say". I don't know what you are basing this on either. The only nation who looks down on the ra is England. They have comrades in the middle east, Catalonia, the Basque Country, South America, Scotland, not to mention the good old US of A.

What exactly do you mean by "the rest of the nations"? As far as I know the only nation who looks down on the Republican movement is our imperialistic oppressors; England.

You are basing your 'people around the world' argument on two people in your work

Read a book mate. Form your own opinion. And next time kindly provide more credible sources than two people who live in a brainwashed capitalist shitehole.

 

Not really true. For our purposes, the countries that matter are basically Europe, due to any fines UEFA will give us. Pretty much everybody I've known, for some reason, view Irish republicanism as good but the IRA as evil and terroristic. Bizarre? Wrong? Yeah, but true all the same. I think if you run in antifa circles then you'll be a bit biased, because I've met a lot of Catalans, Argentines, Egyptians, whatever, who operate under the Western/Anglo-Franco-Germanic worldview.

Again, not really true. Unfortunately.

The same brainwashed capitalist shitehole that has still managed to produce some notably un-brainwashed critics of capitalism. Just like I've met some complete * idiots, self-described anti-capitalists from left-wing European countries, who run around third world countries with a white messianic complex. Don't oversimplify things.

 

Or maybe both.

Aye and usually politically correct is a bunch of horseshit too. Political is political and no matter what it's hypocritical for governing bodies to basically say "this is OK, but this isn't". Mandela was classed as a terrorist yet he's hailed as a hero so what is the difference between him and the IRA? Nothing. Absolutely zilch. If the IRA are seen as a terrorist group then armies from all over the world must be seen as that, and from what I've read the British Army has had their fair share of terrorism as well. Sing about the British Army though and you'll get a pat on the back.

In all honesty, I don't think it has got anything to do with being politically correct. It's purely contradictory, period. Fans will keep getting their doors kicked in because of victimisation and nothing more and it's all to do with this ridiculous Bill. I hate to bring "them" into it but they are the prefect example of bigotry but how is it that the filth can have a total bigot fest on Remembrance Day and * all is done about it, yet two Celtic fans get arrested I think it was from singing Roll Of Honour this past weekend?

It IS a joke.

You said "A minutes silence for the dead (regardless of who's dead it is) isn't political."...is the minutes silence on Remembrance Day not political, aye?

You are seriously deluded if you don't think that paying respect to Mandela isn't anything to so with politics.

 

I agree, most people when asked will probably refer to the IRA as terrorists.

I wish people on here would stop generalising saying 'Brits'. Scots are Brits, even if they become an independent repbulic, and there is a lot of people in Scotland that don't consider the IRA terrorist. I would imagine the same goes for Wales and England. And no, it's likely not only the ones with Irish blood.

 

And the Brits considering Mandela a terrorist is even more of a generalisation. Just because Thatcher and her cronies considered him one doesn't mean everyone did. Look at the Mandela movements in Scotland. Scotland was at the forefront of the campaign to free him. And, it wasn't just some small left wing movement. The free Mandela campaign in Scotland was extremely popular.

So less of the generalising the Brits, or any people for that matter. Britain has always had conflicting interests within the island.