Celtic Supporters Thread (contains GB chat)

If the GB hadn't flown that banner, then I don't think anyone would think flying Palestinian flags was anything but support for Palestine. But, because they did fly the banner, it could be seen as support for terrorism/Hamas, especially the wording.

A classic case of should have waited for the dust to settle before weighing in. They've made a * of it, IMO of course.

EDIT to add - I'm in support of Palestine and flying the flag. There's no difference between this and Ukraine, other than the propaganda machine is painting Israel as the good guy.

 

The point here is that there is never a moment when the context of Palestinian oppression doesn't apply. That's not the case with Israeli victims of terror attacks. Or at least it hasn't been until now: to be fair, I can definitely see an argument that something of this magnitude will leave trauma on the population for some time to come.

 

They can think what they like; we’re on the right side of this argument and it’s too * bad if certain people don’t like it. Supporting Palestine and calling out the war-crimes of Israel does not equate to anti-semitism - that’s just a lazy trope thrown out there by * and idiots.

 

Proud of Celtic fans tonight pity we couldn't get the win

 

Proud of our fans.

 

Proud of the team tonight. On the way back.

Still i get I've seen palastine flags for years at paradise but it's going too far now. Kids and women are getting abused from both sides. It's sick in my opinion.

 

I didn’t know that. But it doesn’t detract from my point.

 

I agree with what you’re saying 100%. I still maintain that Celtic park should not be a platform for this. Contrary to what a lot of you are thinking, I’m on the same side as you.

 

Why not, though?

 

It’s a football match mate. We shouldn’t be getting involved in this. * knows I agree with what the GB are standing for, but it doesn’t belong in football.

 

Fair enough, but you are 100% wrong in the view that Celtic Park should not be the platform.

Plenty who still go now absolutely know what it's like to be occupied by a foreign, heartless, uncaring, abusive military power and suppressed, and worthless because of your religion/ethnicity. Or are one or two generations away from it.

Know what it's like to be told this isn't your land and never will be, and we'll get rid of you, no matter how much it costs you, because we matter more than you. Didn't happen to me but happened to plenty of my relatives, and was routinely ignored in the Brit mainland and press.

And the reality is, even though that's 100% true, it isn't 1% of what the Palestinians are going through. But some of our generational experience is similar and more important than that we have some knowledge of it, and to try and throw that away or to deliberately ignore it, if it's part of your heritage is shameful. That's not to say that the shocking things Hamas did in Israeli aren't real or important, or in any way justifiable.

So if you don't have that in your family history, fair enough, but if Celtic Park is not the platform to raise these things and to have empathy with people who have similar, but so much harsher, experiences than our extended families, then where is? I ask because kids are being murdered because US, UK, and other governments are green lighting it, even though it's obviously evil and sadistic, and any opposition is being suppressed but you think it doesn't matter? Are you sure?

 

I can’t disagree with anything you’ve said and I’m deeply sorry that you’ve had to experience this personally. I guess my lack of personal experience does play a factor. I only have the best intentions for the club I love when I express my thoughts.

 

I was very much on the fringes of experiencing this. My experience is gained over a few weeks at the holidays every year, or hearing my relatives experience. I've played in streets where the army hid in bushes, battered my cousins indiscriminately, or had opposing religious "respectable" groups regularly (and without thought) taunt and harass those I knew.

I didn't experience anything at all really, it was enough though to make me think it should never be allowed again.

* knows how my relatives bore it, never mind those in Palestine, Apartheid South Africa, Rwanda, or 1930's Germany.

 

Abso * lutely.i can personally give you 20 years of experience in south armagh . Until youve walked in someone elses shoes you know nothing.and as you said what we went through was 1 percent compared to what palestinans are going through every single day for decades. Free palestine. HH

 

I sort of get what you're getting at but I would look at it from the other side if you genuinely believe football is football and football only then fair play but I would highlight things like the support for Ukraine, Poppies on kits, Rainbow laces, Show racism the red card, Minutes silences for heads of state and political figures (Mandela) amongst many other things I'm probably forgetting. I would also ask why there is no Russian teams playing in Europe this year ? Why are certain countries separated during draws ?

I'm not saying anything above is right or wrong but highlighting that politics and football have always been intertwined so surely it makes more sense to highlight sheer hypocrisy as opposed to looking at it the opposite way

 

When beautiful jewish people around the world but particularly those in israel who are being * beaten to a pulp from their own people and IDF * for showing some humanity for palestine then you know you are on the wrong side.

Its great that the world is destroying the israeli narrative.they hate that.HH