Celtic Supporters Thread (contains GB chat)

Unfortunately the banner has been construed by the media as support for the violent actions that day. It was poorly timed and the GB shot themselves in the foot as it’s become an easy win for those that stand against them.
Do I believe they support the scum that carried out those heinous crimes that day? No!
I do believe they support the civil rights of the Palestinian people. Their support has always been unwavering and every time the government or media try to shut them down it only makes them stronger

 

See if you could read the banner before it’s displayed, if they showed you it and asked will they get that it’s the message you pointed out up there or will they think its about that days attacks? Would you advise them of the former or latter. I don’t think theyre stupid enough to not realise what it will be taken as support for, I give them more credit than that.

The follow up statement regarding it makes me think more so that was the intent. If it was taken in a way they didn’t mean and it took them by surprise people took ot that way, they’d be * quick to eulogise about it. And it could have been a clever way to draw attention to what you said above if that was the statement but the statement for me, in a weaselly way, continued to group that attack as the resistance and one in the same as those oppressed.

But the one thing that makes me swing to your side of this conversation is I cant understand that from knowing the GB throughout there existence. They hate everything that Hamas stands for really, think if you take away the Palestine angle of things and had Hamas in say Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt? Bet you’re life they’d be against them with the exact same ethos. I’ve only met one or two boys that are in it, and it was ten odd year ago now I think about it, but from talking to them and questioning them the times we bumped into each other for a year or so that, they and the people in GB aren’t unaware of political nuance or history, infact they’re quite obsessed with the ins and outs, particularly if its something to prove them right. Things that won’t support a point they’re making they can largely ignore, but that was 2 guys specifically who said they were all like that. But really, thats a human flaw choosing a side and not seeing flaws. Thats what this feels like, and why its looking to me they’ve grouped Hamas in with the oppressed poor * getting bombed

 

Aye I agree with you about the banner, it was mistimed (from the outside looking in) part of me thinks they were smart enough to envision the reaction and by doing so it gains more media attention.
This media circus will draw a lot of misguided anger and hatred towards us but at the same time there will be a wave of support from those who challenge the narrative, perhaps it’s a small price to pay for the donations their charitable arm will receive.

“The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.”

 

I’m not sure if I’d count as outside looking in but I took it that way who’s usually an unashamed apologist and hand waver for the GB and well aware of it because I think they get blamed for pretty much anything people dislike that any single Celtic fan does.

Not got the mental gymnastics for this one though mate, and we’ll probably no for certain in the coming weeks. And honestly from bottom of my heart, I hope you’re bang on and I’m a wee flapper buying inyo hysteria. But I think if they try and even explain the banner as anything else but what it’s been widely perceived as, it’ll taken as an oh * too far try and deflect it as something deeper with a proper message.

The first statement is the time for that if that was what they were aiming for though, again though mate, I can’t wrap my head around them actually supporting an organisation like Hamas. Because I really dont think they’re unaware of their mission statements and foundations of beliefs. They’re *, if they were the bigger military power, they’d have wiped the Israelis out already. Without doubt.

However when Palestine is supported, and raised money for its for food, supplies, helping the actual victims in all of this. And it always has been very carefully and stressed thats where the support goes and what they raise funds for.

So aye it’d be a wild swing for them but it’s what their actions have portrayed

 

It’s a lot to digest, a contested land for thousands of years , genetically almost identical, living side by side divided by walls of war, living lives like they are on a different planet. The mosques and synagogues grow larger in Wealth and Influence, their followers give up their life in gold and blood. Yet these sacrifices are never enough. A tale as old as time.

 

Aye and the utter, was going to say fascinating weirdness, morbid experiment? Of ‘us’ the UK just saying here this lands yours, we’ll back you up mate don’t worry. And just giving Carte Blanche due to UK and America’s influence on the world to see what they do. Step in sometimes with a very small verbal warning to maybe please not commit war crimes cos people will realise they’re * even with the propoganda machine behind them.


Swear down mate, I hate the Zionists but see them turning anti-Zionist opinions into being anti-semetic, from a pure strategy level on what the * are actually doing, * me what a move that was from them.

It’s that effective Jeremy Corbyn got made unelectable and attacked like * for not agreeing with what they do. Being against Zionism.

and they painted him as Hitler due (ha jew) to it. If some big network would be brave enough to put it out there, a proper in depth study documentary on their propaganda machine would be unreal. One to expose it and 2 just to see how the * have done it man. It’s peerless

 

not having a pop at you by the way, didn’t see you as flapping and I don’t consider my opinion as fact. More so hope.

 

Didn’t think that at all mate, enjoyed this exhange and your opinion here a lot. It’s more what I’d usually label * that buy into a lot of hysteria that surrounds the GB. So if I do it, I’ll be hypocritical if I don’t point that at myself and learn from it eh.

Took me not to dive into a conversation on reflex, gut thoughts and being sure as * I was right. Try and stay back think on things then decide and I’ve done that best I could objectively as possible on this one. And can’t see any other explanation but I like your viewpoint as another possible explanation but I think it’s one both of us would rather it be, rather than what it is

 

Wondering what banners the gb will have planned for this Madrid match. If they now understand the last banners can be seen in support for hammas, wonder will they continue with something similar or make it clear they are against what hammas done but yet show support for the palastinians.

 

Not a fan of the board by any means but there does come a point where action needs to he taken.

Every single time we play in europe the GB get us a fine, eventually it's gonna lead to stand closures, I'm actually suprised it hasn't happened before now tbh.

Uefa are also a shower of * but they must be looking at us and sayin how many times do we need to fine this club before the get the message.

So with that in mind I wouldn't be suprised if they end up banned on Wednesday night and basing it on the constant fines they can't really complain.

The GB do a lot of good but at times they really don't help themselves either

 

At the end of the day Celtic is a football club not a device for a group to diaplay there political agenda.

 

I tried to look for articles last night on their sit downs with the club but couldn't find anything. Annoying as *.

 

That has absolutely * all to do with the club facing stand closure and in face of constant fines clamping down on GB.

My support of Palestine is undoubted.

my support of the club getting hit in the pocket every time some wee pissbag uses pyro is not.

 

The club won't get partial stadium closure for pyro..

 

I doubt it too. I think that if people think the GB were looking at that as the full horror was revealed and celebrating a * nose for Israel, then they must have a lower opnion of the GB than they do of the Huns. I agree with you about what 'the resistance' probably means; but the banner was ambiguous, they were well aware of how some people were interpreting it and yet they chose not to clarify it.

Whatever reason they had for that decision, I think it deserves criticism.

 

I don't think they see the club as a device for anything. I think they see their politics as growing organically out of the traditions of the club.

 

For repeated offences it all stacks up in a points system and continued examples lead to heftier punishment,

the recent fine was for pyro feyenoord.

 

There could be a chance of banning us from an away match CL match by UEFA, but usually that action gets suspended pending..

In any case the action by the board isn't because of actions at Motherwell and Feyenoord and they should have the balls to say so..

 

So, they have been banned for things done prior to the game with the display. So why weren’t they banned immediately after these incidents? Board have come up with reasons to ban them because they couldn’t ban them for the display ad there’s no proof it supported Hamas.

 

They could ban them for it regardless. And people talking about proof? There’s a big sign of proof they held up.