Celtic in IRA songs row

Here, here, Jeannie

Bores me to tears going over the same old *!

People should learn to disagree and move on. Look at Celtic Park and you find out how many people really want to sing songs about the IRA.

Away games when groups who know each other well and go on the * are the only ones left singing them.

Where are they all when it comes to home games?

Outnumbered by a vast majority who want to watch Celtic rather than sing about the IRA.

Silent crowd or singing and chanting that causes offence to others ... silent crowd for me!

The future will see us sort out a better singing environment without a need for glorifying anybodies past.

 

Your argument is flawed although I do understand your stance.

I say this because the exsamples you give of Iraq and Afghanistan etcetc are references to govermental decisions the same goverments we have elected in a democratic manner. We might not agree with certain decisions they make but we have the ability to vote someone else in.This is the fudemental diference.

In regards to the troubles (not just in relation to the history of our club) these organisations,militants terrorist groups whatvever there corect titles are. They are a law on to themselves and the inocent life they destroy is unaceptable even though there objectives maybe honorable.

Your reference to news propeganda. I agree with you to a certain extent obviously certain publications and news outlets have there own agendas and most people understand that. However you just have to use your own eyes to form an opinion and no matter were the troubles are around the world mindless violence in the name of any religion is barbaric and insane.

The history of our club should never be forgoten and rightly so but history is exactly that history and we should be looking to move on into the twenty first century and leave what has been. In the past were it belongs.

 

mate, agree and disagree with you, if we were ALLOWED to sing the rebel songs i would much rather have a packed parkhead every week singing for 90 minutes, no matter what song it is. But as it stands, as long as singing these songs brings our club's name into disrepute, in paradise you will not hear a bigoted word from me.

 

Enjoying the ding dong with Ellbhoy and Nickyg - good political argument and civil responses.

My stance is pretty simple - the away fans need a dose of shut the * up! They are an embarrassment.

 

celtic fans enjoy sing the songs. the members of the ira fought for their freedom n the freedom of ireland. the fans r singing for their freedom. its not doing any one any harm so y is there so much bother wiv it.

let me know wot u think

 

There is a distinction between the IRA and the Republican terrorist groups of the 1970's et seq. I support the aims of both and the methods of one. They never fought for my freedom and I have sung the songs but not in the last 15 years at Celtic Park. Blast out a few Jacobite songs and I might consider joining in but again it's nowt to do with football.

 

* here we go again!! The subject has been well chewed over and regurgitated a few times already. Go have a look at previous threads I'm sure that you won't be disapointed

 

I agree with your last point m8 it is nowt to do with football.

 

You are historicaly incorect in regards to Israel. as in regards to Kenya my information is lacking. I am going to swat up on Kenya so I can coment on their plight with a degree of knowledge. I sugest you do the same in regards to Israel before you make an ill informed statement.

However if you are looking for nations who have worked with whom are considred terrorists. Then you should look at Lybia,Syria,Lebanon, Saudi Arabia,Iraq,Iran,Afghanistan and most recently Pakistan(in regards to the assasination of Benazir Butto) in all almost every middle eastern country and a few asian nations have been involved with terrorist organisations with the exception of ISRAEL.

 

I doubt that many in the government of NI, including ex-IRA members, would advocate the singing of songs about the IRA at a football game in Scotland.

Why? Because they are trying to create a society of equals in which traditions are respected and allowed to flourish.

I disagree with you when you say it isn't doing any harm and doubt that you have actually thought through what you have stated.

IRA songs at football games in Scotland generate hatred, division and sectarianism. If you feel that is fine, then so be it.

I, for one, want my kids to grow up in a world/ society better than the one I grew up in. An impossible dream maybe, however, if I can assure my family are not bigoted and full of hate then I'll be happy enough.

The IRA have no place in my following of Celtic Football Club.

 

Although the huns make a meal of it, IT IS A BIG DEAL. Not to them, but to our reputation as a football club. You seen the papers after the hearts game at tyncastle, slagging us to death for singin "up the ra'" . Even the hearts game at home, when we were 5-0 and singin go home ya huns, the papers had a field day, they target us especially. if the sfa pull us up about this we could be docked points, which could eventually cost us our league title. Do you think a sing song is worth giving the title to they orange basterds?

 

fair enough u dont want to ur bairns to hear ira songs when their at the matches. but u cant stop 60,000 fans singing the songs.
i'm not full of hate. the songs that get sung have all got means behind them.

 

Absoloutly fantastic post. Just hope more people have this attitude as it is time to move forward and not dwell on a bigoted and poisones past.

 

Hitler's Nurenberg Rally had meaning too, doesnt mean it was right

 

I 2nd that

 

I think you need to read up on it a bit more on it. Why should we sing songs about an organisation who often put bombs in city centres, pubs, remembrance gatherings with no warnings and killed innocent men, women, pensioners. children. The cause was understandable but the methods were often disgusting and brought no gains (the same peace deal was rejected by the ira 20 years or more earlier and so the troubles went on for 25 years instead of 6 or 7).

 

oh the Irony. Google 'Enniskillen bomb' mate. That was a real repecting of remembrance day by republicans.

 

i know that what happened shouldn't have happened and all they people didn't have to die. but its still going on the world now. u've got sucide bombers killing people, u've got the american's killing our own soliders and saying it wasn't meant. u've to the iraq war going on n look at those people who have died. there will always be people killing each other and it doesn't matter who or what is behind it.
at the end of the day there r thousands if not millions of innocent people dying. there r people who think that setting off bombs of whatever will help but, it just makes things worse.

look at the twin towers bush knew it was going to happen n still he didn't do anything.

people do stupid things at the time.

 

bit offtopic, but I would call israel the worst of them all -tbey are a rogue country.

 

I sort of agree with your sentiment. Although your points of reference are not good choices they are somewhat clouded. Maybe youve been reading a few to many conspiracy theories.