Celtic and the Irish Struggle

What did the Omagh bomb achieve?

 

First off that was the Real IRA, not the Provos and we're talking about the armed struggle in general whereas you've just highlighted two specific incidents. Before the Provos started their campaign Catholics had no power or influence in society, even though they made up >40% maybe even above 45% of the general population, voting was fixed to ensure as many Protestants as possible were in Parliament, the Police was rife was Sectarianism therefore there was no defence from the loyalist mobs, housing was poor, jobs were very limited, there was no social mobility, nothing yet those in the Free State take the moral high ground while they just sit back and watch this happen to their fellow countrymen?

 

http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/war-of-independence-disappeared-recalled-225827.html

Independence was achieved by this army despite the killing of civilians. It did happen during the War of Independence too.

 

Omagh bomb was the RIRA for a starter, as for the other absolute tripe you are spurting I would give the sound advice to go to a library read up on Irish history and then come back. When you are not completely embarrassing yourself with severe lack of knowledge, and misconceived assumptions about something being achieved without force. How exactly was this meant to happen? You do realise that there was rampant discrimination against nationalists, sectarian mobs running havoc in citys burning catholics out of their homes, gerrymandering of election regions to maximise the unionist candidacy. This is just the tip of the ice-berg.

 

So you are comparing the Omagh bomb to the war of Independence?

 

Think that was about the free state govt etc, not the people of the 26 'free' counties of Ireland

 

Only two, do you want me to list more? I am well aware of what happened in the 6 counties but thanks for the lecture... so when did Provos stop the justified murder of civilians and the Real IRA etc start the unjustified murder of civilians?

 

So which is it? they are the same, they are not the same??? Old, new different the same?

 

As you had made the 'clear' distinction between the PIRA and the original IRA, I was under the impression you would be doing the same for the PIRA and the RIRA. As you only stated you hated the PIRA, and distinguished what that was, would only make sense that you would have also tried to produce another 'atrocity' committed by the PIRA. So nice try of a cover up for your mistake and lack of knowledge .... nice try

 

People like you make my blood boil. Lower than tories.

 

Good :bbpd:

 

Whit???? you lost me with all the different "RA"s

 

You are trying to muddy the waters by throwing the Real into the equation.

The fact of the matter is the Original IRA and the PIRA fought the same just cause. As has been highlighted the PIRA cause was arguably even more justified because of the systematic discrimination and later internment of nationalists by the orange state.

The overwhelming majority of provie stiffs were legitimate targets and they never purposely targeted civilians.

Why do you think people in the 26 are entitled to self determination but we aren't? As much as I think Collins et al are traitor *, they saw the treaty as a stepping stone to eventual reunification under the green white and gold. Why exactly do you disagree?

 

I will make it short, sweet and simple so that you can process this information .... Nice try to cover up your earlier boo-boo, however I'm not fooled by it :icon_mrgreen:

 

No you are. I compare war with war.

 

Lets start at the beginning and first ask when did the original IRA stop killing civilians? You can also maybe answer was the killing of civilians during the war of independence justified?

 

I stopped reading there..

 

Fooled by what exactly?? I have made my position pretty * clear

 

It's a stone cold fact. Give examples to the contrary.

Ask the song goes:

Take it down from the mast Irish traitors.
It's the flag we Republicans claim.
It can never belong to free staters.
You have brought on it nothing but shame.

 

Birmingham? Or are you going to tell me that was the Brits fault for not getting folk out in time or it was't the RA it was a splinter group? Again this was done in the name of Ireland, not in my name it wasn't..