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Celtic and the Irish Struggle

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  1. Jinky.

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    Bingo.

    Was just about to make the same point.
     
  2. Gabriel Beidh an lá linn Gold Member

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    A list of the children <18 killed during the troubles.


    The list contains brief details of the Catholics and Protestants who have been killed in North of Ireland by the British (including the use of rubber or plastic bullets (also referred to as 'baton rounds')), the Loyalists, the RUC, and the IRA. All of those killed were mostly Catholics and some Protestants. This list is not meant to offend anyone; it is here just to remember the children who lost their lives during the troubles.
    This is also listed for educational purposes.
    Rowntree, Francis - 22 April 1972 (11) Catholic
    Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
    Shot by rubber bullet, Divis Flats, Belfast.
    Geddis, Stephen - 30 August 1975 (10) Catholic
    Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
    Died two days after being hit by plastic bullet, Divis Flats, Belfast.
    Stewart, Brian - 10 October 1976 (13) Catholic
    Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
    Died six days after being hit by plastic bullet near his home, Norglen Road, Turf Lodge, Belfast.
    Whitters, Paul - 25 April 1981 (15) Catholic
    Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
    Died 10 days after being shot by plastic bullet, Great James Street, Derry.
    Livingstone, Julie - 13 May 1981 (14) Catholic
    Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
    Shot by plastic bullet while walking along Stewartstown Road, Suffolk, Belfast.
    Kelly, Carol Anne - 22 May 1981 (12) Catholic
    Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
    Died three days after being shot by plastic bullet while walking along Cherry Park, Twinbrook, Belfast.
    McConomy, Stephen - 19 April 1982 (11) Catholic
    Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
    Died three days after being shot by plastic bullet, Fahan Street, Bogside, Derry.
    Duffy, Seamus - 09 August 1989 (15) Catholic
    Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
    Shot by plastic bullet while walking along Dawson Street, New Lodge, Belfast.
    More children died in the troubles under the age of 18 by real bullets as well.
    09 Aug 1971 Leo McGuigan Aged 16 Catholic killed by British Army Shot while walking along Estoril Park Ardoyne Belfast
    09 Aug 1971 Francis McGuinness Aged 17 Catholic killed by British Army Shot during street disturbances Finaghy Road North Belfast
    09 Aug 1971 Desmond Healey Aged 14 Catholic killed by British Army Shot during street disturbances Lenadoon Avenue Belfast
    06 Sept 1971 Annette McGavigan Aged 14 Catholic killed by British Army Shot during street disturbances, while standing at the corner Blucher Street and Westland Street Derry
    04 Dec 1971 Marie McGurk Aged 14 Catholic killed by Ulster Volunteer Force Killed in bomb attack on McGurk's bar North Queen Street, New Lodge Belfast
    04 Dec 1971 James Cromie Aged 13 Catholic killed by Ulster Volunteer Force Killed in bomb attack on McGurk's bar North Queen Street, New Lodge Belfast
    14 Dec 1971 Martin McShane Aged 16 Catholic killed by British Army Shot outside youth centre Macrory Park, Coalisland County Tyrone
    18 Dec 1971 James McCallum Aged 16 Catholic killed by Ulster Volunteer Force Barman, killed in bomb attack on Murtagh's Bar Springfield Road Belfast
    16 Jan 1972 Eamon McCormick Aged 16 Catholic killed by British Army Died over two months after being shot during gun battle, near St Peter's School Ballymurphy Belfast
    30 Jan 1972 John Duddy Aged 17 Catholic killed by British Army Shot during anti-internment march in the vicinity of Rossville Street Bogside Derry
    30 Jan 1972 Kevin McElhinney Aged 17 Catholic killed by British Army Shot during anti-internment march in the vicinity of Rossville Street Bogside Derry
    30 Jan 1972 Hugh Gilmore Aged 17 Catholic killed by British Army Shot during anti-internment march in the vicinity of Rossville Street Bogside Derry
    30 Jan 1972 John Young Aged 17 Catholic killed by British Army Shot during anti-internment march in the vicinity of Rossville Street Bogside Derry
    30 Jan 1972 Michael Kelly Aged 17 Catholic killed by British Army Shot during anti-internment march in the vicinity of Rossville Street Bogside Derry
    30 Jan 1972 Gerry Donaghy Aged 17 Catholic killed by British Army Shot during anti-internment march in the vicinity of Rossville Street Bogside Derry
    01 Mar 1972 John Mahon Aged 16 Catholic killed by RUC Shot while travelling in stolen car in Belfast city centre. Car abandoned outside Royal Victoria Hospital Falls Road Belfast
    01 Mar 1972 Michael Connors Aged 16 Catholic killed by RUC Shot while travelling in stolen car in Belfast city centre. Car abandoned outside Royal Victoria Hospital Falls Road Belfast
    23 Mar 1972 Sean O'Riordan Aged 13 Catholic killed by British Army Shot during petrol bomb attack on British Army BA foot patrol Cawnpore Street, Falls Belfast
    15 Apr 1972 Sean McConville Aged 17 Catholic killed by Ulster Volunteer Force Shot from passing car while walking along Crumlin Road Crumlin Road Belfast
    22 Apr 1972 Francis Rowntree Aged 11 Catholic killed by British Army Shot by rubber bullet Divis Flats Belfast
    14 May 1972 Martha Campbell Aged 13 Catholic killed by non-specific Loyalist group Shot while walking along Springhill Avenue Ballymurphy Belfast
    19 May 1972 Manus Deery Aged 15 Catholic killed by British Army Shot by sniper from BA observation post on city walls, while in entry off Westland St. Westland St. Derry
    23 May 1972 John Moran Aged 17 Catholic killed by non-specific Loyalist group Died ten days after being injured by car bomb left outside Kelly's Bar Whiterock Road Ballymurphy Belfast
    10 Jun 1972 Marian Brown Aged 17 Catholic killed by non-specific Loyalist group Shot from passing car while standing with friends, Roden Street, off Grosvenor Road Belfast
    11 Jun 1972 Joseph Campbell Aged 16 Catholic killed by British Army Shot during gun battle Eskdale Gardens, Ardoyne Belfast
    23 Jun 1972 Patrick McCullough Aged 17 Catholic killed by non-specific Loyalist group Shot from passing car while standing at the corner of Antrim Road and Atlantic Avenue New Lodge Belfast
    09 Jul 1972 Margaret Gargan Aged 13 Catholic killed by British Army Shot by sniper from British Army BA observation post in Corry's Timber Yard, while walking along Westrock Drive Ballymurphy Belfast
    09 Jul 1972 John Dougal Aged 16 Catholic killed by British Army Shot by sniper from British Army BA observation post in Corry's Timber Yard, while walking along Westrock Drive Ballymurphy Belfast
    09 Jul 1972 David McCafferty Aged 15 Catholic killed by British Army Shot by sniper from British Army BA observation post in Corry's Timber Yard, while walking along Westrock Drive Ballymurphy Belfast
    11 Jul 1972 Gerard Gibson Aged 16/17 Catholic killed by British Army Shot while in house, Carrigart Avenue Suffolk Belfast
    12 Jul 1972 David McClenaghan Aged 15 Catholic killed by non-specific Loyalist group Shot at his home Southport Street, Lower Oldpark Belfast
    15 Jul 1972 John Mooney Aged 17 Catholic killed by British Army Shot while walking along Ligoniel Road Ligoniel Belfast
    31 Jul 1972 Daniel Hegarty Aged 16 Catholic killed by British Army Operation Motorman Shot while walking along Creggan Heights Creggan Derry
    07 Aug 1972 Terence Hennebrey Aged 17 Catholic killed by non-specific Loyalist group Found shot in entry off Glenmachan Street Village Belfast
    27 Sep 1972 James Boyle Aged 17 Catholic killed by non-specific Loyalist group Found shot by Flush River, Elswick Street, off Springfield Road Springfield Road Belfast
    07 Oct 1972 Alexander Moorehead Aged 16 Protestant killed by Ulster Defence Regiment Shot while walking along Mourne Park Newtownstewart County Tyrone
    15 Oct 1972 James Doherty Aged 6 Catholic killed by still unknown Died one week after being shot while in the garden at his home Norglen Crescent, Turf Lodge Belfast
    16 Oct 1972 William Warnock Aged Infant Protestant killed by British Army Knocked down by British Army BA Armoured Personnel Carrier, while at barricade during street disturbances Newtownards Road Belfast
    29 Oct 1972 Michael Turner Aged 16 Catholic killed by Ulster Volunteer Force Shot from passing car while walking along Cliftonville Road Cliftonville Road Belfast
    31 Oct 1972 Paula Stronge Aged 6 Catholic killed by Ulster Defence Association Killed in car bomb attack outside Benny's Bar. She was playing in the street when the bomb exploded Garmoyle Street and Ship Street Belfast
    31 Oct 1972 Claire Hughes Aged 4 Catholic killed by Ulster Defence Association Killed in car bomb attack outside Benny's Bar. She was playing in the street when the bomb exploded Garmoyle Street and Ship Street Belfast
    27 Nov 1972 Rory Gormley Aged 14 Catholic killed by Ulster Volunteer Force Shot while travelling in car, junction of Downing Street and Ariel Street Shankill Belfast
    04 Dec 1972 Bernard Fox Aged 16 Catholic killed by British Army Shot while in house, Ardoyne Brompton Park Belfast
    15 Dec 1972 James Reynolds Aged 16 Catholic killed by non-specific Loyalist group Shot from passing motor cycle while standing on street corner Dandy Street, Greencastle Belfast
    28 Dec 1972 Geraldine O'Reilly Aged 15 Catholic Not from NI killed by non-specific Loyalist group Killed in car bomb explosion outside post office Belturbet County Cavan
    28 Dec 1972 Patrick Stanley Aged 17 Catholic Not from NI killed by non-specific Loyalist group Killed in car bomb explosion outside post office Belturbet County Cavan


     
  3. Gabriel Beidh an lá linn Gold Member

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    PUNISHMENT BEATINGS / ATTACKS
    STATISTICS SINCE SEPTEMBER, 1999 & AS OF MARCH 14, 2000:
    · 77 beatings by loyalists and 13 by republicans;
    · Loyalists have carried out 23 punishment shootings and republicans five
    More Children lost their lives.
    1974 – Dublin Jacqueline O’Brien Aged 17 months Killed by Loyalist bomb explosion
    1974 – Dublin Ann-Marie O’Brien Aged 5 months Killed by Loyalist bomb explosion
    1974 – Dublin unknown Aged unborn Killed by Loyalist bomb explosion
    1974 – Monaghan Edward O’Neill Aged still-born Killed by Loyalist bomb explosion
    In Aug 1969 Patrick Rooney Aged 9 Killed by RUC Shot dead Northern Ireland
    14 Aug 1976 Majella O’Hara Aged 12 Killed by British Army Shot dead in Co. Armagh
    13 Jul 1975 Charles Irvine Aged 16 Killed by British Army’s Scot Guards Regiment Shot and died in hospital West Belfast
    5 Dec 1993 Brian Duffy Aged 15 Killed by UDA/UFF Shot dead in collusion with RUC in North Belfast
    23 Jul 1980 Michael McCartan Aged 16 Killed by RUC Shot dead in South Belfast
    31 Mar 1980 Paul Moan Aged 15 Killed by British Army Shot dead in West Belfast
    28 Mar 1991 Katrina Rennie Aged 16 Killed by UVF Shot dead while working in a mobile shop in Craigavon, Co. Armagh
    24 Oct 1977 Michael Neill Aged 16 Killed by British Army Shot dead in North Belfast
    6 Dec 1976 Geraldine McKeown Aged 14 Killed by UVF Shot dead in her home in North Belfast
    9 Aug 1977 Paul McWilliams Aged 16 Killed by British Army Shot dead in the back in West Belfast
    17 Mar 1976 James McCaughey Aged 13 Killed by no-warning UVF car bomb attack on the Hillcrest Bar Dungannon in Co. Tyrone (St. Patrick’s Day)
    12 Feb 1978 Michael Scott Aged 10 Killed by UVF when a bomb exploded outside his home in North Belfast
    9 Jul 1981 Daniel Barrett Aged 15 Killed by British Army’s Welsh Guards Shot dead sitting on the garden wall of his home in North Belfast
    20 Apr 1972 Frank Rowntree Aged 11 Killed by British Army Shot dead in West Belfast
    11 Jul 1978 John Boyle Aged 16 Killed by British Army Shot dead in a graveyard near his home in Dunloy, Co. Antrim
    01 Jan 1980 (New Year’s Day) Doreen McGuinness Aged 16 Killed by British Army Shot dead in West Belfast
    19 Apr 1973 Anthony McDowell Aged 13 Killed by British Army Shot dead in the back in Duneden Park in Ardoyne, North Belfast
    18 Oct 1974 Michael Hughes Aged 16 Killed by British Army Shot dead in Derrybeg estate, Newry, Co. Down
    28 Feb 1973 Kevin Heatley Aged 13 Killed by British Army Shot dead in Derrybeg estate, Newry, Co. Down
    By the IRA
    26 Jun 1970 Bernadette McCool Aged 9 Catholic Killed by Irish Republican Army Died in premature explosion of incendiary device at her home Dunree Gardens, Creggan Derry
    26 Jun 1970 Carol Ann McCool Aged 4 Catholic Killed by Irish Republican Army Died in premature explosion of incendiary device at her home Dunree Gardens, Creggan Derry
    10 March 1971 John McCaig Aged 17 British Army Killed by Irish Republican Army Off duty. Found shot Squire's Hill, Ligoniel Belfast
    03 Sept 1971 Angela Gallagher Aged 1 Catholic Killed by Irish Republican Army Shot while in pram, during sniper attack on nearby British Army BA patrol Iveagh Crescent, Falls Belfast
    23 Sept 1971 Gerard O'Hare Aged 17 Catholic (OIRA) Killed by Irish Republican Army Killed in premature bomb explosion at house Merrion Street, Lower Falls Belfast
    02 Dec 1971 Vivian Gibney Aged 17 Protestant Killed by Irish Republican Army Died four days after being shot during IRA sniper attack on RUC foot patrol Cliftonville Circus Belfast
    11 Dec 1971 Tracey Munn Aged 2 Protestant Killed by Irish Republican Army Killed in bomb attack on Balmoral Furnishing Company Shankill Road Belfast
    11 Dec 1971 Colin Nicholl Aged 0 Protestant Killed by Irish Republican Army Killed in bomb attack on Balmoral Furnishing Company Shankill Road Belfast
    09 Mar 1972 Anthony Lewis Aged 16 Catholic (IRA) Killed by Irish Republican Army Died in premature bomb explosion in house Clonard Street, Lower Falls Belfast
    25 Mar 1972 Patrick Campbell Aged 16 Catholic (IRA) Killed by Irish Republican Army Shot, in error, by other Irish Republican Army member, while setting up ambush of British Army BA patrol Junction of Springhill Avenue and Springfield Road Belfast
    07 Apr 1972 Charles McCrystal Aged 17 Catholic (IRA) Killed by Irish Republican Army Died in premature bomb explosion in garage Bawnmore Park, Greencastle Belfast
    07 Apr 1972 Samuel HughesAged 17 Catholic (IRA) Killed by Irish Republican Army Died in premature bomb explosion in garage Bawnmore Park, Greencastle Belfast
    07 Apr 1972 John McErleanAged 17 Catholic (IRA) Killed by Irish Republican Army Died in premature bomb explosion in garage Bawnmore Park, Greencastle Belfast
    29 Apr 1972 Rosaleen Gavin Aged 8 Catholic Killed by Irish Republican Shot during sniper attack on British Army BA base Oldpark Road Belfast
    14 May 1972 John Pedlow Aged 17 Protestant Killed by Irish Republican Army Died one day after being shot during gun battle between Irish Republican Army IRA and Loyalists Springmartin Road Belfast
    19 May 1972 Harold Morris Aged 15 Protestant Killed by Irish Republican Army Shot by sniper while walking along Boundary Street Shankill Belfast
    28 May 1972 Joseph Fitzsimmons Aged 17 Catholic (IRA) Killed by Irish Republican Army Died in premature bomb explosion in house Anderson Street, Short Strand Belfast
    28 May 1972 John McIlhoneAged 17 Catholic (IRA) Killed by Irish Republican Army Died in premature bomb explosion in house Anderson Street, Short Strand Belfast
    28 May 1972 Geraldine McMahonAged 17 Catholic Killed by Irish Republican Army Died in premature bomb explosion in house Anderson Street, Short Strand Belfast
    19 Jul 1972 Alan Jack Aged 0 Protestant Killed by Irish Republican Army Killed in car bomb explosion. Inadequate warning given. Canal Street, off Abercorn Square, Strabane County Tyrone
    21 Jul 1972 William Crothers Aged 15 Protestant Killed by Irish Republican Army Killed in car bomb explosion at Oxford Street Bus Station. Inadequate warning given. Unknown Belfast
    21 Jul 1972 Stephen Parker Aged 14 Protestant Killed by Irish Republican Army Killed in car bomb explosion outside row of shops. Inadequate warning given. Cavehill Road Belfast
    31 Jul 1972 Kathryn Eakin Aged 9 Protestant Killed by Irish Republican Army Killed when three car bombs exploded almost simultaneously, Main Street. Inadequate warning given. Claudy County Derry
    31 Jul 1972 William TempleAged 16 Protestant Killed by Irish Republican Army Killed when three car bombs exploded almost simultaneously, Main Street. Inadequate warning given. Claudy County Derry
    10 Oct 1972 Joseph McKinney Aged 17 Catholic (IRA) Killed by Irish Republican Army Died in premature bomb explosion in house Balkan Street, Lower Falls Belfast
     
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  4. packybhoy Administrator Administrator

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    Long list Gabriel. But a right few under 18s spring to my mind killed by real bullets in the 80s. Danny Barrett aged 15 standing in his front garden 1981. Shot dead by passing British army patrol. September 1990 joyriders Martin Peake 17. Karen Reilly 18. Markeveicz Gorman 17. Shot dead by Lee Clegg. British army para. Sick thing was at the Paras Christmas party, they put up a prepared banner. "Vauxhall Astras, built by robots, driven by joyriders, Stopped by A company! Funny that isn't it!!!
     
  5. Pádraig Pearse

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    My auntie's on the list. 14 year old shot dead with a plastic bullet on the way to get her ma a bottle of milk. Heartbreaking stuff.
     
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    Julie Livingstone, mate. Was my Aunts next door neighbour! When I was up at my aunts regularly. She used to take me to the sweet shop! Small world indeed!
     
  7. Pádraig Pearse

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    That's the one mate :50:

    Too young to have met her unforunately.
     
  8. packybhoy Administrator Administrator

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    Vague memories mate. But have always remembered her in my heart and head. I would have been around 4 or 5! Probably the second person I can say i was in contact with, I lost through the troubles, the first was my uncle ironically shot dead by the I.R.A.! But that's our troubles. Thankfully times have moved on for the better!
     
  9. Gabriel Beidh an lá linn Gold Member

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    Danny Barrett is in the second post. I lighten the script to make it easier to find. I am sure the others you mentioned are there also.
     
  10. Charlie21

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    True this.... :54:
     
  11. Markybhoy

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    There's precious little discussion of Celtic going on in here so the thread is being moved to the Pub section.
     
  12. Cliftonville

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    Well they are, they both fought the same end goal.

    Its sickening how the free state tries to justify the actions then and go on to condemn what happened in the O6.
     
  13. Gabriel Beidh an lá linn Gold Member

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    Good generalisation. Everybody in the 26 counties is a west brit. Your insular nortern ireland mentality is no better than his "were free so * you". All the more surprising with your GAA avatar.
     
  14. KRS-1888 Scott La Rock

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    When he said the Free State,I doubt he meant everyone who lives there,just the sorry sort of revisionist in this video.

    [ame]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-MjK_C-qV9o[/ame]
     
  15. Gabriel Beidh an lá linn Gold Member

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    Then he should not generalise. This would be no different than using the term "the Celtic support" when referring to the opinions of the vocal minority of apologists on the internet.
     
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    Which was the point i was trying to make here...


    * shame as well.
     
  17. Jim-Lynagh56

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    A robbery of a post office for some needed funding, to fund an armed campaign sums the "RA" up to you? :smiley-laughing002: :smiley-laughing002: :smiley-laughing002: :smiley-laughing002: :smiley-laughing002: :smiley-laughing002:
     
  18. thailandceltic From Immigration to Domination

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    No the ambush and murder of Irish men going about there daily business by a group of scum only interested in money...

    After the death of over 2000 people what exactly have the "RA" achieved that might not have been achieved without killing and maiming Irish and British citizens ?? The "RA" fanboys sicken me...

    IMO there will never be a United Ireland because of the murder campaign carried out by the tiny minority of people from both North and South in "united Irelands" name..

    A united Ireland will never happen and no amount of bombs or murder is going to make it happen...
     
  19. made in ireland

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    Take It Down from the Mast.

    There are no reasoned distinctions that can be made between any of the campaigns and the groups.
     
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    Yes cause the IRA achieved absolutely * all:rolleyes: