Celtic AGM Friday November 20th 2015 at 10.30am

Part of the problem has been the clubs reluctance to get good quality players in to make sure we reach the group stages of the CL their attitude is see if we get to the group stages before we try and buy and see if they can buy potential on the cheap and sell it on for a big profit when they dont reach the CL group stages.

 

No but I can see them slowing down and leaving a bit for 'insurance', as we should be winning the league, getting into the CL and winning cups with the level we have invested just now.

I think it's backfired majorly because we've missed out on £40m in the last two seasons though.

 

IA I cant quote your post. Have cut and pasted the following -

-"I dunno why he never went to Arsenal. The pay packet is double ours, the remuneration package if the CEO leaves is in the region of £5m. Your head of one of the top football clubs in Britain and the world, overseeing a budget that is 5 times ours. Maybe he just likes being a big fish in a small pond? He has much control here in Scotland that he would not get down South?" -


If only some of our players showed as much loyalty and commitment to our Club we would be laughing. If a player had remained here despite the above being on offer he would have hero status.

 

London costs more than double the price to live in anyway does it not?

 

My line is quite clear on this one Dev, and I've mentioned it on a few occasions.

PL has made available investment to the team which would / should comfortably get us into the UCL groups each year. We have far greater resources than teams who have stopped us doing that. That's the money part doing "it's bit."

The football part doing "it's bit" consists firstly of Deila (or any Celtic manager) utilising that resource and qualifying for the UCL groups. Secondly, when in the groups, we then have to "punch above our weight" by essentially doing what other Celtic managers have had us do previously, and what Maribor, Malmo et al have been doing to us presently.

I don't buy the "Lawwell hired Ronny, Ronny looks crap, therefore Lawwell is crap" argument either. Ronny was hailed by mostly all before his signing, has performed well in many aspects (all subjective pish anyway) and had good support until recently from most. You can't then suddenly rewind and revise the signing when it suits.

Lawwell is the business/ money side, Deila is the football side. Lawwell has done his bit - it's up to Ronny to meet and exceed the (realistic) expectations we all put on him.

If people want to intertwine the two together and start blaming Lawwell for football results then crack on but I don't buy it. The fact people ARE attempting to do that, to me anyway, shows that Lawwell is doing at least a decent job in difficult circumstances as they can't pin much else on him.

Plus he's my * dad and you always stick up for family.

 

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expenses

 

The two are intertwined though, they aren't seperate aspects. Which is why Lawwell does the contracts, unlike the old days when it was actually up to the manager. I don't think Ronny is doing a good enough job, I don't think Lawwell is either however.

He's good at pulling the purse strings and I commend him for pioneering the standing section over here, however we have downsized on the football side by selling players and not fully replacing them. We don't even need to spend more money, just rearrange how we spend the money we already do.

I don't think we can look at the club divided, as in business is good, football is * so it's not the business fault. We need to be working in tandem, our football team can feed the business through Champions League entry and the business needs to feed the team with allowing us funds to have players of quality so we can compete at a higher level.

 

...See if we pay for Lawwell's gaff on top of his wages I may go bonkers

 

There's no way he would receive anything close to £5m though is there? He would be in effect exercising his right to terminate his contract and join another employer.

From my understanding, he is one of the only people at our club that currently receives an EPL level wage. I would expect more of our players would show similar loyalty if we could afford to pay them EPL level wages too.

 

Oh well 5 , 4 , 3 , 2 ...


Seriously though with those types of job there will be a generous 'relocation package' available (so Pete likely got something at the start here) he will also, I assume, be entitled to use a Club credit card for expenses. I know I was provided with one when I worked for previous employers, and I wasn't the CEO, and within reason they are reimbursed. Except for that one night at 'foxy ladies'

 

Aye, I know but it' still a lot, lot dearer to live in London than Glasgow. I imagine doubling your wages may leave you worse off down there.

 

Paul Lawwell in disguise aye? :icon_mrgreen:

 

KOK I cant quote you directly either , this place is getting worse.


- "There's no way he would receive anything close to £5m though is there? He would be in effect exercising his right to terminate his contract and join another employer.

From my understanding, he is one of the only people at our club that currently receives an EPL level wage. I would expect more of our players would show similar loyalty if we could afford to pay them EPL level wages too." -


I was quoting IA so I never said about the £5 mill, I thought that bit was in reference to the arsenal job but not sure.

The salary on offer, from what I remember was about double what he gets here which is still not to be sniffed at. I am pretty sure if any club offered to double virtually any players wages currently at Celtic they would take that and play for them. Any that didn't would indeed be praised highly.
So I fail to see how people actually don't recognise his loyalty or do as you have done and attempt to down play it.
It is very obvious, to me anyway, if it was all about the money and personal gain for Lawwell he would have been gone by now.

 

What if you use the multi-quote instead?

Just a thought..

 

I can quote.

Get it up yees.

 

They clearly are separate aspects, that have to work together to product the correct results on the pitch. That's not a club divided at all - it's component parts of a machine doing their job correctly.

I get the route you would go down and why you would, I simply don't agree with it.

All the subjective chat about this-guy-was-sold-and-then-that-guys-not as-good is all fine and well when its football fans discussing football on a football forum but that's not PL's remit.

Re-arrange the money? A Celtic manager has a budget to work with and I am sure the proposal he makes within the budget is his choice and, if viably feasible, it gets signed off. I don't see that as PL not re-arranging the money correctly, at all.

But strip it all back and you will find "Manager A" with more than enough resource to beat "Manager B" in the UCL qualifiers and winning domestically whilst also keeping the wolves away from the door in a very tough financial climate. That's at least decent business management and I really do fail to see what's so hard to understand about that (I don't mean this as bad as it sounds.)

Throw into the mix his clearly great reputation among his peers, his European relationships via the ECB, the staying loyal to us despite more cash (and when you strip it away just who does that these days, I mean seriously) and lots of other things and, for me, it just adds credence.

These are all clear, factual and tangible things. Stack that up against a whole load of subjective / fantasy stuff thrown at him ("He hates Celtic / we are just customers / Liewell ) from the same posters and that's where I draw the line.

Constructive criticism should always be welcome on any Celtic employee but it needs to be tangible and within the area of remit whereas a lot of it (with Lawwell especially) is just hateful mudslinging.

 

Mate without going into the finer details nor knowing them of what Pete spends. We are talking about a Million a year approximately extra, that is surely not going to leave him worse off despite living in London, even if it costs £7 for a coffee from starbucks or whatever it costs.
C'mon people I know,and you probably do know some as well, have moved to London for less increase than double salary.

 

The first source I searched for talks about a £1m a year offer from Arsenal. This is virtually identical to what he receives just now in my understanding. I don't see that as loyalty.

I would imagine Lawwell would have done long term incentives built into his contract. They may well stand to net him a multiple of his annual salary a few times over if he is here for x number of years.

Ultimately though, it is all speculation. We have no idea if he would be financially better off at Celtic or Arsenal, so I'm not sure how you can praise his loyalty. Right now though, it certainly looks as though he receives an EPL level salary while simultaneously telling the fans we can't compete at that level in terms of wages.

 

I know a few who have and moved straight back.

I'm talking a like for like level of luxury and standars of living mate, much cheaper up here than it is down there.

Come to think of it he's too much a penny pincher to actually move into London, I'd imagine he'd commute in this entirely hypothetical strange tangent :smiley-laughing002:

 

I have tried it both ways some times it works and sometimes it doesn't.

From what I can see and work out I seem to be able to quote the dickheads no bother but not the sensible posters .. or is that the other way about :icon_mrgreen: