Caldwell (Threads Merged)

What I mean by that is his mobility on the deck when a player runs by him, changes pace or dribbles. He is easily left chasing shadows on the deck which is something I have noticed about O'Dea too.

 

Would you drop Caldwell completelly to do this kelts.

 

I don't know why you are so hard on O'dae Keltoi, he looks as if he can become a great if he hangs around. I don't buy into this age thing i'd play him at CB, he is way good enough IMO.

 

my feeling last season was he was good in our back to the walls CL games because that somehow suited him more but he looked a lot less convincing in the more open SPL games. He looks good very tight to a man but not so hot when a forward faces him or there are open spaces. I think he is also very vulernable to being passed inside on his right side,more so than Mick who despite being left footed has a more even balance. That said, he does have a nice touch and is a good passer and I thinik he could make it but as I said I think its looking like even really promising young CBs will never be allowed to learn by trial and error at CP. Mick was the exception because of total lack of funds that year. Unless fans are prepared to risk the league one year for youth development, then we may as well just spend big on experienced good CBs. I am a bit eccentric and I actually would risk the league one year for youth development but not after next year with the automatic CL spot for the champions.

 

Caldwell is/was/will always be *

I'm not even using the benefit of hindsight here. I've been saying this for weeks now. He gives away more fouls and cheap free kicks than any other defender I've ever seen.

He spends most of the game with his hands up in the 'wisnae me' position.

*.

 

Aye, so would i. The risk may even pay off.

 

your on the wind up mate.

 

ahh rite, cool.
was wonderin cos i thought kennedy, for a defender was actually quite good with the ball.

 

Yes. Right now, I would play Caddis and give Mick and Elvis a spin at CB for the next month (with Gary on the bench) to see if it stops the sieve. My point is just that I just feel he is not treated the same way as our other CBs. I dont think he great by any means although pretty good by SPL standards. Thats my opinion but I am fairly sure WGS will continue to play Caldwell at RB for a while, certainly on Wednesday and probably in the next OF match because of the risk of playing a rookie in a big game. Anyway, theres not much more I can say about this. Lifes too short to sit and talk about Gary Caldwell for hours.

 

ffs Keltoi put the * violin away. He gets treated differently because he makes more mistakes and gives away more cheap free kicks than anyone else.

None of our defenders are top class, but at least Mick is solid if unspectacular.

Caldwell is a * bombscare.

 

seriously. Ive felt that way for years. I think there are tons of players who would have made it if they had been allowed to have learned their trade over a couple of season by trial and error. It would have saved us 10s of millions. I think a few of us have a strong suspicion that Caddis, O'Dea, Cuthbert, Gowser, Sheridan etc could be better than our 1st team players if they got a couple of seasons in the SPL under their belts but you have to be prepared to take the hit if it takes time.

 

Sorry mate but that's bollocks. If you're good enough then you get in the team.

Celtic players don't get to learn by trial and error, we need to win every game. That's the way it is, the way it will always be and the way it should be.

 

Couldn't agree more. Well said m8

 

except Aidan who did because wee Shaun left. He was very poor in terms of end product for ages but its suddenly paying off now.

 

Get him to *.

Celtic V Caldwell on Tuesday.

 

you'd gladly finish 3rd in the league and play young un's for a season?
playing young uns before there ready CAN make them a good player. it CAN
but it can also turn a player *.
if you look at it, say we have 6 youngsters playing. 4 of them have massive potential, 2 of them cope with the presure, and it turns them into shaun maloney and aiden mcgeady. lets face it, we're not going to un earth a ronaldinho this way or any other way actually

the other 2 with massive potential colaps under the pressure, start off badly and have fans, managers, other players on there back. there going to end up playing for falkirk, cardiff etc. but had they been bled into the team properly like mcmanus, maloney, mcgeady would have turned out to be fine players

they other 2 that had a wee bit of potential become nothing more than reserve players because they didn't shine ether and the fans want them to * but again, could have turned out fine.

is that really worth finishing third? for a CHANCE that it'll make one or two players better? i doubt it. highly.

 

Not enough is done * to try and blood the youngsters. In games when we go 2 -0 up and cruising we should bring the young ones on, apart from Sno.
Gradually bring them in. Even starting with one youth in games that are not major like europe and old firm.
You could argue that by not doing this by the time they get a game they have no experience in relation to the players at provintial spl clubs even.
I wouldn't go all out like Keltoi, but his point carries some substance.

 

Maybe. It was an attitude I developed in the really bad years when we had nothing to lose. We have a lot more to lose now. Its a pity all this talk of feeder clubs doesnt work. If we realy had a feeder club at a decent level somewhere we could constantly farm out our best 5 young reserves for a year or so to play real football.

 

i agree a feeder club would be ideal in bridging the gap between first team and reserve/unders
i was watching football focus this morn, and thats whta they lot down south were rambling on about. throwing youngsters into the premier leauge

are we in a bad state though?

against shaktar:
a midfielder at left back, a cb/midfielder at right back a 36 yr old at cb after months out
we still won 2-1.
our clubs not in a bad way, we are having an injury *crisis* at the moment nothing more than that really

 

Nobody should be criticised for one mistake,these things happen.But Caldwell has made a habit of slack defending all his career.He has made the same mistakes before he joined us and looks as if he is continuing in the same vein.
I repeat what I said in another post relating to Caldwell.I simply dont accept that Caldwell is treated any more harshly than others.Naylor hasnt been slaughtered?Pressley?Kennedy?
Im afraid you need to develop a thick skin playing for Celtic.