Brings it on himself?

The thing that infuriates the Rangers supporters, and whoever else he might irk, is his unwillingness to back down. The fact that they can't get to him drives them mental.

 

I think it just took a few extremists with the bullets and bombs to make this into a huge thing in the media and then all sorts of other more neddy characters who are less extreme just joined in. The real reason this spiraled is just down to a few people IMO. What interests me is whether they are a cell of people like that or just random extremists.

 

I agree with Gunt, there is something setting this off now rather than then (during the MON years). I mean, even think about Boruc. Rangers fans hated him, but no one sent him bombs or bullets.

The problem seems to be reaching a climax right now, and I hope that climax is that some kind of change will happen and someone on the other side will recant, embrace a broader view, and claim that we don't need this nonsense in sports. However, I fear that in actuality it will cost a life before change happens. I don't wanna imagine that, but having seen this after effects of MLK and other men in the US, sometimes that's what it takes. I'll just keep praying that Scotland will come to its senses and the silent majority will stand up to these bigots.

 

was gonna post something similar to your post last night gunt ,i beleive this could be part of the escalation of the campiagn,its in tune with deflection tactics to mask other problems like the economy ,people losing jobs also rangers problems with threats of administration .
marry this with nl character fiery winner ,wont bow to" supremacy", like every other tim then you have the perfect hate figure for society to manifest ,everytime you see media portrayal of the man its angry and confrontational.

 

His ear gesture was not needed.
As a player, he did do things that would make rangers fans hate him.
Though, being catholic and being born in NI is not his fault.
Lenny has matured, people say hes a liability, how though? He has turned the club around, and next year Ally McCoist will be second.
I'm behind him 100% and feel that if he stays on, we will know how much he wants to kick the bigotry out the door.

 

the difference between Lennon and MON is simple. MON was more or less unknown, he hadn't had a real Celtic connection before he joined. Lennon on the other hand, had been playing previously with us. He proved on the pitch he's 100% die hard celtic. He would run through walls for the team. He personifies everything Celtic stands for.

the huns hated him when he was a player, now he returned as a manger. Imagine the huns appointing a spanish manager.. no big deal, eh? five years later they would appoint Nacho Novo...


Also the huns must be extremely desperate and nervous after all the effort they have been putting in. You'd almost think we only needed a win to secure the title on sunday.

 

Well put mate.

 

Great thread guys. Probably the main talking point imo because the title of the thread is what every other fan thinks.

"He brings it upon himself"

Utter Bullshit i'm afraid.

Not one Rangers fan I have asked can find evidence of him saying anything bad or derogatry towards Rangers since becoming manager.

Also if that's their logic then surely Ally McCoist brought Lennon's reaction upon himself by whispering something in his ear?

So by their Logic Ally McCoist was in the wrong, or am I missing something...

 

Mate, my experience has, sadly, been the same. I have been shocked ans saddened at my work colldagues in particular. As you say, even the ones who conceed that what is happening is wrong, still maintain he shoulders some of the blame. I heard a female colleague in hef late 50's state "that man deserves everything he gets. There was never as much sectarianism in football until he came along" I couldn't believe what i was hearing! This is a woman with no interest in football. She only knows what she reads in the tabloids, yet she has formed that opinion. Some peopld are just plain enjoying it. I am ashamed to say i was born in what is proving itself to be a sad, bitter, twisted, hateful little toilet of a country. The media are playing a huge role in keeping alive the notion that Neil somehow brings this on himself. They twist his words time and again to sell papers and it is morally wrong. Sadly, in our society, making Neil Lennon look bad is a ratings winner. What has surprised me most over the last year though is the hatred that is all around me in my every day life. People who i thought were good appear to have a sinister hateful side that is revealing itself but more worryingly, scottish society in general is revealing a darker, sinister side. Make no mistake, outwith Celtic fans, general public opinion is against our manager. I don't know if i want to raise children in this Country.

 

It's not just the huns who despise Lenny most other clubs hate him too.

This is because he's a winner with an abrasive sometimes confrontational manner as a player and as a manager. Add the fact he's a Northern Irish catholic managing Celtic makes for a potent mix. The sectarianism rooted deep in Scottish society finds it hard to veil it's underlying hatred and casual bigotry when it comes to Lenny.

What these bigots don't understand is that The Celtic Family are united behind Lenny, galvanising us making us stronger, players, fans, directors et al.

Win or lose the league, these bigoted animals have created a 'Celtic monster' that they'll be unable to control as the passion for Lenny and our club will sweep all before it in seasons to come.

Celtic to the Core!

 

I allowed myself to point out the key word here. He's a winner. People envy winners. Plus he's a die-hard-celt. People that hate celtic will hate him too solely for that fact.

That's the reasons I can think of for the non-bigots.

 

he plays up to the hatred but i think its a ridiculous leap from that to he brings it on himself

 

"He brings it oan himself" is just a * lie to try justify their hatred towards him in an attempt to hide their real excuse...

It was their EXACT same excuse they used for their hate campaigns towards Aiden McGeady (attacked in town) for choosing "taigy" Ireland over Scotland, Artur Boruc for blessing himself (something thousands of pro football players do, but is only a problem here)...Another player subjected to racial sectarianism is James McCarthy for choosing Ireland over Scotland. See the pattern emerging here? Lennon is just next in line for the hatred.
Although having had a taste of the Mordor faithful madness, Paddy McCourt and Niall McGinn must be dreading the day Lennon, * forbid, ever leaves!
Paul McBride QC, having had defended in court, the most vile and horrible people you'd ever hope not to meet, including murderers and rapists, has only ever received threats defending Neil Lennon.

I hope this puts any doubt, if there is any, in any Celtic fans mind, that maybe sometimes Lennon goes too far or should maybe act in a different way, that it wouldnt matter what he did..its ALL about WHAT HE IS rather than WHAT HE DOES.

 

the simple response is do niall mcginn and paddy mccourt bring it on themselves as well? how about paul mcbride and the MSP?

 

Hes done no different to what youve seen other managers do down the years even high profile ones.

 

Hey folks, cracking thread which has prompted this long time lurker to delurk.

I've had a similar experience to most on here, discussion with colleagues and facebook friends, none of them able to offer up an example other than the usual party line of "he's a thug", "he's a ned", "can't keep his mouth shut" which I find really sad.

Maybe if some in the media were more honest and pointed out the myth of Uncle Dignity's Dignity. Or every time any other manager explodes on the touchline or says "I'd never criticise the professionalism of the referee" and then does, some of the criticism of Lenny could be quickly rebuffed.

There's nothing wrong with managers doing these these things, they're normal reactions from people passionate about their team. It's what we do as fans. What's wrong is pretending it doesn't happen and Lenny's a big bad man for doing the same.

There's nothing wrong with rivalry, with holding up the big personalities as pantomime villains, it's all part of the game. Trying to turn them in Guy Fawkes is indefensible.

Another difference with MON and Strachan is time. This season is like no other, with our upheld complaints, dougie dougiegate, the state of the other lot, UEFA and people starting to speak out that enough is enough. There wa nothing like that level of upset going on when either MON & Strachan were here.

And "why Lenny and not MON" is a false argument in some respects. Just because it didn't happen to MON, it doesn't mean it's Lenny's fault, much as that might be conventient for people to think. Did it happen to him down south? No. Does it happen to him in Scotland? Yes. What's wrong with Scotland is the question surely?

Admitting you've got a problem is supposed to be the start of trying to fix it. I'd like to think that the reactions we get from supposedly sensible people are the start of that process. I couldn't care less about the views of bigots, as they'll never change, and I'd rather hear them so I know who they are. But people who're simply following the party line and see Lenny as the cartoon baddie might just think a bit more, given this weeks events and if we keep challenging their opinions.

Cheers bhoys!

 

excellent post mate ,should visit more often

 

It would be very interesting to see how the SFA, Politicians, Police and the Meeja would have treated this whole situation if it had been Sir Walter that was being targetted.

 

Good post.

I think you've misjudged some of the posters, though. I don't think anyone thinks it's Lenny's fault. It's just odd that Lenny gets so much and MON got so little. I think the point raised earlier about Lennon's Celtic career is valid, and something I hadn't really thought about. However, I think there is something bigger going on. A lot of civil unrest. Probably a culmination of renewed turmoil in Ireland, the possibility of Scottish referendum on independence, etc, etc. Lennon is the scapegoat of the hour.

 

The Huns hated Lenny from the start cos he is a fiery wee * and a winner.also think the stuff with the uda at the start would have fuelled the hatred more.it all just escalated from the beginning and now it's out of control