Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

Just to add, I don't think we were that bad in the cup final, Taylor caused their first goal and the big 4 on 1 chance but outside that I thought we were slightly better, and at the same time it's a cup final, anything can happen.

Yesterday was different and inexcusable, it was just as bad as the games they had against us in the covid season, maybe even worse, we're lucky it was only 3-0

Regroup, beat St Mirren on Sunday (who have lost their last two games) and hopefully Hibs get something off them.

 

Mate even we agree on this mental for * sake we got beat we played * * it happens entitled *

 

He could have maybe changed things sooner but I'm not sure it would have made any difference yesterday, Any 11 players out of our squad should have been beating that hun side. The players need to take a right hard look at themselves after that.

 

He's a * troll mate. Only posts negative stuff.

 

Stick to the hun thread mate, cause you are utterly clueless when it comes to Celtic...

 

Sometimes when we are struggling to play out from the back I think we should drop 2 midfielders deeper and then put one up the middle.

At HT yesterday i'd have went like

Schmeichel
Johnston CCV Trusty Taylor
Engels McGregor
Kuhn Bernardo Maeda
Idah
​

And clipped a lot of balls over their midfield into Bernardo and Idah up the middle.

They basically sat on the half way line waiting until we tried to pass it into midfield then closed us down and forced us back, frustrating us and a lot of the time stealing the ball and we had no other way to go about things. When they won it too they were mostly breaking on a wide open defence with only McGregor in the middle.

If we went 2 midfielders deeper we'd have had more guys back to pass through them with and defend with and with BErnardo and Idah up the park could have dinked balls over them to cause them bother and change things up.

I thought thats what we should have done in the Dortmund game and yesterday as the same things were happening over and over and over and yet we just kept playing the same way and being caught wide open and unable to get into their half.

 

I also think we should treat them like the other teams in the League and just play our normal game.

Against everyone else in the League our defence push up high and Taylor is always in the middle of the park and it works well.

When you think of the last two games we've played the huns, our defence sits deep and Taylor stays on the left, we play like a flat back 4. Then the distance between our defence and Hatate/Bernardo is massive with just McGregor in the middle of it wide open.

We don't do that against Motherwell and Hearts and whoever, we aren't worried about them and we shouldn't really be worried about this hun team as they don't have much pace or attacking threat in them either.

Our defence should come higher up and we should let Taylor float about in the normal areas constantly like we normally do.

We seem to be worried about leaving a chance for them to run in behind our defence but because our defence is deeper then what we really are doing is leaving massive space in behind our midfield and then our defence is absolutley rattled as guys are pishing forward on them with no protection and with time and space on the ball.

Like against anyone in the League we automatically go to this set up from the back with say Scales/Trusty on the ball



But against the huns we set up like this to play out from the back and then Hatate or Engels roam about and we try to get the ball to them and from them and Johnston/Taylor wide try to get it to Kuhn/Maeda but we never play like this in any other games really, all the other teams we always play the above way.

 

Got a warning in the Cup Final and didn’t heed it. Got a proper wake-up call yesterday. Like Ange, he needs to learn to be a bit more flexible; his unwillingness to make changes at HT yesterday is concerning.

 

Agreed, Hatate and Scales getting 75 and 90 minutes respectively when they were both clearly a million miles off the standard that was required was nothing short of ludicrous.


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His in game management was poor yesterday. The huns were always gonna set up the way did, they were always gonna press high, allowing our left sided players (Scales, Taylor, Hatate) the ball. We as fans knew this, why didn't he and our professional coaches know this and adapt.

£26m of summer signings on the bench. So when the changes needed made, it was shape and set up needed changing, not just sliding subs in to a failing set up. 4-2-3-1 was the set up needed yesterday. 2 sitting MFs would stop their continous break throughs. Not just inverting Taylor.

How many headers did our CBs win but the 2nd ball was picked up by they *! Gotta be close to 100%. 2 sitting MF would have offered far more protection to our back 4 yesterday.

Obviously he cant legislate how * the players were with the ball and their poor attitudes were.

 

Scales absolutely had to go at HT, and probably Hatate, too. Really, really poor management.

 

We're after the same things. No major grumbles if that was to happen in that order. I do think that the resigning of KT will see us change shape anyway. Less inverted, more overlapping as BR likes, which would require CMs dropping deeper to receive the ball.

Will find out soon enough. A few starters required this month.

 

This was it for me, too. It was unbelievably noticeable how many second balls they were picking up.

 

It’s just struck me. That’s the worst performance we’ve ever seen from a BR Celtic team. Ever. We were more competitive against PSG and Lincoln Red Imps.

 

Sure Brendan will be raging after that. Am sure he’ll sort it out.

 

There's a bigger, more long-term, issue here than a defeat against sevco. Rodgers wants, or even insists it seems, that we always play the ball out from the back to start any period of possession or attack(think how often you see us pass the ball back from a FK to either KS or one of our CB's. We did it from a FK about 10yds inside sevco's half yesterday FFS). The problem is none of our players who we look to to play this way ie KS, AJ, CCV, Trusty, Scales, Taylor, Valle have the required football ability to be able to do so, hence the never-ending individual mistakes and mis-placed passes in and around our own box. Against the weaker SPL teams we're usually ok as they tend to sit-off and let us have the ball, hoping to park the bus in their defensive third. In Europe though and also in games against sevco we've been getting pressed higher up the field, especially the area where CalMac likes to receive the ball, and the truth is we can't handle it. As others have said BR learned nothing from the cup final. We have 3 options here as far as I can see. 1) Replace those players I mentioned with guys who DO have the required skills on the ball so BR can continue with his preferred style. This will cost massive money though. 2) Admit we don't have the players to play this way and change our style accordingly so that we're not making it easy for the opposition all the time. 3) Stick our head in the sand and keep doing what we have been doing and suffer the consequences. Unfortunately I suspect that number 3 will be the most likely to happen.

 

He CAN be a tactical genius… but unfortunately he’s a vain stubborn * who sticks to his subs clock no matter what and refuses to bench or offload players who clearly aren’t up to it…

Getting the ‘Brendan is bored’ vibes again…

 

Still, find it absolutely incredible he didn't change it at HT or even before...

 

Agree I fell off my * seat in astonishment that scales and hatate came out for the second half .

 

The only way he'll stop playing out from the back is if we start losing because of it and kick off about that specific issue. He is a pragmatist and will respond to sustained pressure in that regard, just as how he adapted how we were setting up in Europe after initally doubling down on the strategy against Dortmund. It needs to become an issue among the support, he'll change things up until we're back to winning ways, then return to form when the heat is off. This is how he operates for whatever reason.